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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right welcome Fade to Black I'm your

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host Jimmy Church today's Wednesday

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December 7th

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2022 and uh tonight Our Guest is Melinda

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Leslie and she has been an investigator

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and researcher in the field of ufology

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for for over 30 years and she also has

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her UFO uh siding tours in Sedona

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Arizona where she has well over 1 000

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tours uh uh to to her credit right now

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and and more coming and she uses

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everything with uh night vision goggles

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and of course I've had my own

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experiences uh with Melinda over the

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years and she speaks a lot different

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organizations including mufon and the

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international UFO Congress and of course

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uh Coast to Coast AM and I would like to

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welcome back to fade to black Melinda

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Leslie Melinda good evening young lady

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how are you great Jimmy how are you it's

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fantastic oh I always get always good to

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talk to you always good to talk to you

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and uh welcome to the show and and are

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you ready for another conversation sure

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absolutely very ready excited thank you

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for having me

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here is um and I just want to give

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everybody a little heads up there's a

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little hum uh that is going on and uh we

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couldn't fix it in soundcheck so you're

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just gonna have to deal with it too guys

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I'm so sorry I don't know what's causing

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that because it's everything sounds so

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good on my and and these are new head

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sets and a new laptop so I don't know

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what's doing it yeah yeah it's uh it's

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called live we are live on the air

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that's right you know that's that's just

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um uh what I wanted to do tonight

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Melinda because you and I uh hang out a

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lot you were just on uh my new TV show

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into the Vortex and that episode's going

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to be coming up here shortly and

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um uh I'm excited about that by the way

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about being on into the Vortex and uh I

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think we did a great show uh said our

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produ your producer seemed to be very

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happy so I'm I'm really looking forward

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to that yeah yeah yeah it was a great

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conversation and uh everybody check it

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out uh I'll let I'll let uh social media

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know uh when that launches uh which

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should be soon

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um now uh but what you and I

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that talk about a lot privately is your

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experiences and and things but we we've

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never really had an opportunity to just

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sit down and and and talk about you on

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the show there's always breaking news

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some drama some UFO craziness

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kind of back up and start with because

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everybody knows you but but you know

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these things don't get talked about too

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much uh like how you got into this

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your life just changed and and you were

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complicated answer and a short one but

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schedule for like test flights and

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with security and all these things that

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producer said hey if this is happening

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couple nights in a row well a friend of

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mine stumbled upon this radio show

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that this is this reverse engineering

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listening they basically went from let's

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his story really broke in like August if

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amazing sightings including structured

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craft and you know amazing stuff

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this was uh uh uh Lazar was there no no

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this this is Lazar hadn't even gone

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show okay and the host who said let's

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hills just outside the base and and had

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amazing mind-blowing UFO sightings and

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sightings well Jimmy something about

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inserting a key and turning it

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because I started to have memories come

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forward and that was the beginning of

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what started my whole looking into my

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that he was putting on and then a muf on

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it just kept going and so I've been in

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the field that you know since then since

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on talking about the Lazar you know

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story but then he had gone out there

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with Cooper so he knew him they were

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friends at the time and he took Cooper

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going out there and as as they were

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starting to tell people a few other

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researchers were trickling out there but

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but but it was mostly John Lear and Bill

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Cooper going on Billy show talking about

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the whole story and see Lazar hadn't

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even gone public yet so he wasn't public

283
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yet that was I don't know how long maybe

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a couple months later and then Lazar did

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go public and at that point but this was

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even prior to him going public

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so and and I think that you're

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suggesting that at this point

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um you

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uh started to have recall of past

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experiences because

292
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yeah exactly

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um

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like I said put

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having all those sightings first off I

296
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was seeing stuff fly in and out of a

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known top secret military base you you

298
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could look it up and find out stuff

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about you know 51 at the time and

300
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um and so it was like okay here's this

301
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known top secret base we're seeing this

302
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craft that absolutely defied physics

303
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come up from behind the hills drop out

304
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of those cloud coverage a couple of the

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nights they were dropping out of the

306
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cloud coverage doing like a falling leaf

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pattern shooting behind the hills Etc

308
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and and so I knew so all these belief

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systems shifted overnight I went okay

310
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UFOs are absolutely real

311
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the government absolutely knows and is

312
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lying about it like they know because

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they were they were not only coming out

314
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of the military base a couple of the

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nights we had the local sheriff out

316
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there too Sheriff Vehicles were next to

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us and we were talking to them and we're

318
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like you guys see this often they're

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like yeah every night

320
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so we're like okay the sheriffs are

321
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seeing this every night there's white

322
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Bronco security wacken Hut security

323
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vehicles going past us you know checking

324
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us out going around us going past us

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there was the sheriff like I said there

326
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were black helicopters up in the air

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unmarked helicopter circling so you go

328
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okay this is the craft were in the air

329
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at the same time all this was going on

330
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so you go okay obviously the government

331
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knows these are flying in and out of a

332
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top secret base and you guys it wasn't

333
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mistaken U.S aircraft if anyone's

334
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thinking about it this was absolutely

335
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defying physics and we're seeing discs

336
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and stuff you know this was crazy crazy

337
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stuff and and

338
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I mean just really crazy and and the

339
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weight was flying and it would shoot off

340
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and stop and shoot off and stop it was

341
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remarkable and it just blew my mind so

342
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but you were just saying there Jimmy is

343
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it like I said it was inserting a key

344
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and turning it because I had memories

345
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come forward a childhood teenage and

346
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young adult abductions at first and then

347
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soon after that and I mean like within a

348
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month I had an experience that a

349
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roommate of mine witnessed and and you

350
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know the roommate told me all about what

351
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they witnessed and so at that point I'm

352
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like okay it's not just remembering past

353
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experiences it's now gone into new you

354
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know current experiences in late 89. how

355
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um how how many uh well you know what

356
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I'm just gonna go with the direct

357
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question here how how many

358
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uh uh experiences did you have as a

359
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child

360
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oh goodness

361
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um I I don't know that I've ever had an

362
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exact count but I can give you would you

363
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like a couple of examples real quick

364
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yes I would Melinda but but what I'm

365
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asking is

366
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um you know as you're you know when

367
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you're going through this kind of thing

368
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in memory recall you must have gone wow

369
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uh you know and and started to think

370
00:15:21,889 --> 00:15:19,199
about it there's there's experiences

371
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here yes yeah I can give you a couple

372
00:15:25,730 --> 00:15:23,459
examples of like the first things that

373
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came up okay okay

374
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:30,769
okay I want to be you know clear about

375
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this okay so for instance

376
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um

377
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when I my grandmother had a house out

378
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near what we now know as giant rock and

379
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Landers California Yucca Valley uh 29

380
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Palms Desert area Southern California

381
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she had a little Homestead out in the

382
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middle of nowhere her closest neighbor

383
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was a guy about you know 50 yards away

384
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and he had two donkeys in his yard and I

385
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think like a truck on cinder blocks you

386
00:16:01,490 --> 00:15:59,699
know Desert Rat okay and the next

387
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closest neighbor to either them was like

388
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a mile away

389
00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:05,339
but it's a this is where my grandmother

390
00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:08,220
lived at that point in my

391
00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:10,139
um when I was a little kid not at that

392
00:16:15,290 --> 00:16:12,959
not as an adult in 1989 but she died

393
00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:15,300
many many years ago but as when I was a

394
00:16:20,449 --> 00:16:17,760
child and so I remember being five years

395
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,459
old I'm the youngest of five

396
00:16:25,129 --> 00:16:22,560
and I think my cousins were also out

397
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there so the older kids and the adults

398
00:16:28,490 --> 00:16:26,699
went into town

399
00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:28,500
I'm thinking now it might have been to

400
00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:29,880
see a movie but it almost doesn't matter

401
00:16:35,449 --> 00:16:32,040
they went into town during the day and I

402
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:35,459
was put down for a nap so so

403
00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:37,199
um they said okay you know and then one

404
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:39,420
adult stayed behind to babysit me so

405
00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:40,800
again this is my grandmother's little

406
00:16:45,050 --> 00:16:43,320
place out like in Landers but far away

407
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:45,060
from everyone and they're going in

408
00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:46,800
they're all driving into the town of

409
00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:49,380
Yucca Valley you know which is roughly

410
00:16:54,290 --> 00:16:51,620
maybe half an hour

411
00:16:56,749 --> 00:16:54,300
and uh so I'm put down for a nap the

412
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:56,759
adult State and I always had this memory

413
00:17:00,769 --> 00:16:59,040
my whole life so even prior to this I

414
00:17:04,610 --> 00:17:00,779
had this part of the memory which is

415
00:17:06,409 --> 00:17:04,620
that I'd been put down for a nap that my

416
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,419
um

417
00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:08,640
that I remembered that little kids came

418
00:17:13,789 --> 00:17:11,100
to the bedroom window and wanted me to

419
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,799
go outside and play with them and that

420
00:17:18,169 --> 00:17:15,839
the adult had fallen asleep on the couch

421
00:17:20,809 --> 00:17:18,179
and I snuck out past them and went

422
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:20,819
outside to play with these little kids

423
00:17:25,490 --> 00:17:23,760
so everyone comes back from going into

424
00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:25,500
town from a movie or whatever they were

425
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:27,480
doing and they come back and they said

426
00:17:33,950 --> 00:17:31,679
so Melinda did you have a nice nap

427
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,960
and I said I went outside and played

428
00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:35,520
with these little kids so of course they

429
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,380
turned to the you know sleeping at you

430
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:38,880
know I mean the adult who was there and

431
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,520
said what gives you did she what kids

432
00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:43,200
well first off they told me Melinda I'm

433
00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:44,940
like five they're saying that's

434
00:17:49,789 --> 00:17:46,440
impossible grandma lives in the middle

435
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:49,799
of nowhere it was 102 degrees out her

436
00:17:53,690 --> 00:17:51,600
closest neighbor is the guy with the old

437
00:17:56,570 --> 00:17:53,700
man with two mules or two donkeys

438
00:17:58,850 --> 00:17:56,580
there's no neighbors anywhere it's 102

439
00:18:00,830 --> 00:17:58,860
no little kids are gonna walk across the

440
00:18:02,270 --> 00:18:00,840
desert for a mile to come play with you

441
00:18:04,490 --> 00:18:02,280
like she's in the middle of nowhere it's

442
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,500
102 there's no little kids and I was

443
00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:06,240
adamant I said I went out inside and

444
00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:08,100
played with these kids

445
00:18:11,870 --> 00:18:10,140
and so again like I was starting to say

446
00:18:14,570 --> 00:18:11,880
they turn towards the adult who was

447
00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:14,580
babysitting me and they said

448
00:18:18,169 --> 00:18:16,380
what gives and they said well she was

449
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,179
asleep the whole time

450
00:18:22,909 --> 00:18:21,120
so I learned to drop it as a kid because

451
00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:22,919
you know everyone was like well you

452
00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:24,600
dreamed it you shut up you know my older

453
00:18:28,430 --> 00:18:26,220
siblings you dreamed it dummy you

454
00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:28,440
dreamed it okay okay so I forgot about

455
00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:31,260
it but then after having all those

456
00:18:36,049 --> 00:18:33,539
sightings in 1989

457
00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:36,059
I have a dream at night I mean literally

458
00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:38,340
like the very next week within days of

459
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:40,740
those first couple of days of Psychics I

460
00:18:45,169 --> 00:18:42,960
have a dream I'm recalling that whole

461
00:18:46,909 --> 00:18:45,179
thing in my dream but it wasn't little

462
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,919
kids at the bedroom window it was gray

463
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,240
aliens

464
00:18:52,190 --> 00:18:50,160
and that I had an abduction and that

465
00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:52,200
they knocked the adult out

466
00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:54,660
and as it is my my family used to kid

467
00:18:58,370 --> 00:18:56,460
with me because I had multiple

468
00:19:01,010 --> 00:18:58,380
experiences taken from my grandmas and I

469
00:19:03,409 --> 00:19:01,020
remembered being taken through her front

470
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,419
door was a big sliding glass door

471
00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:05,280
and that I was taken through the slang

472
00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:06,780
glass door like I could walk through the

473
00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:09,480
glass and when I was a little kid I was

474
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,400
running into it all the time because I

475
00:19:15,169 --> 00:19:13,200
always thought you could go through it

476
00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:15,179
now I understand why I thought I could

477
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,160
go through it you know but going back to

478
00:19:22,010 --> 00:19:19,679
so then another one so within those

479
00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:22,020
first couple of weeks of sightings I

480
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:23,340
have another dream at night we're

481
00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:25,980
calling I'm 12 years old we're staying

482
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,900
in Yucca Valley but this time I'm not at

483
00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:29,760
my grandmother's little house it wasn't

484
00:19:33,710 --> 00:19:31,860
really room for us to stay there it had

485
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,720
one it was kind of like a little

486
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,000
one-room you know house and and she had

487
00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:38,160
a tiny little bedroom with a single bed

488
00:19:41,690 --> 00:19:40,140
you know so we would stay what was

489
00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:41,700
called the Yucca Inn at the time a

490
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,070
um memory of um

491
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:52,799
being put of of staying there and uh and

492
00:19:57,169 --> 00:19:54,780
and everyone was going to go on a Day

493
00:19:58,730 --> 00:19:57,179
hike at Joshua Tree National Monument

494
00:20:01,310 --> 00:19:58,740
you know Arboretum and whatnot and do a

495
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:01,320
day hype they're packing a big picnic I

496
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,179
felt sick to my stomach I was at the

497
00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:05,760
time I was like 12 years old and at 12 I

498
00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:07,140
was pretty together I was already

499
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:08,940
occasionally babysitting that kind of

500
00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:11,460
thing you know so they're like I'm like

501
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,260
I I can't go do this again it was like

502
00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:16,559
102 outside I'm like I'm I can't go

503
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,080
hiking with you guys I don't feel good

504
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,080
so they said we'll leave you here

505
00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,720
it was a busy they had a pool there with

506
00:20:27,650 --> 00:20:26,220
like a life Garden you know and they

507
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,660
said if you get feeling better go

508
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:30,240
swimming you know and I said all I want

509
00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:31,980
to do is crawl up and sleep you know I

510
00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:34,020
really was feeling nauseous so they take

511
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,700
off to go on their Day hike and their

512
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,679
picnic they leave me there

513
00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:39,600
I lay down the bed I could never sleep

514
00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:41,880
there was a really really noisy air

515
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:43,559
conditioning unit anyways long story

516
00:20:48,529 --> 00:20:46,380
short I needed fresher I go outside I go

517
00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:48,539
for a walk out in the parking lot I come

518
00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,660
back I use the rest of the bathroom in

519
00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:53,580
the motel room and they all come back

520
00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:56,100
not at 12 years old I had a good sense

521
00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:59,100
of time you know I figured it had maybe

522
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,559
been an hour I could never sleep it was

523
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,840
really noisy really stinky there was a

524
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:05,039
wall mounted air conditioning unit

525
00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:07,620
really loud the room there was no such

526
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:09,240
thing as a non-smoking room so I ever

527
00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:10,679
had that room before us were heavy

528
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:12,419
smokers I'm like I just felt really

529
00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:14,039
nauseous so that's why I went outside to

530
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,140
get fresh air so when they came back I

531
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,480
said oh you guys it was too hot you

532
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,880
decided not to go on your hike and I

533
00:21:24,770 --> 00:21:22,679
remember all this really well like this

534
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:24,780
is fully fully conscious memory that

535
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:26,280
I've had my whole life and I'm like you

536
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:28,380
guys went out and you know went for

537
00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:30,419
you you went out and it was too hot so

538
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:32,280
you came back and they go Melinda what

539
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,360
are you talking about they go we've been

540
00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:34,559
gone all day

541
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,840
and I'm like no you've only begun like

542
00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:38,880
an hour and they're like Melinda we've

543
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,400
been gone like six hours and they stuck

544
00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:42,960
outside it's getting dark and sure

545
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:45,419
enough I looked and and it was it was

546
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:47,220
getting dark outside and they suddenly

547
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,600
it's already getting dark we've been

548
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,159
gone all day

549
00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:51,840
you know we're worried about you and

550
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:53,220
wanted to make sure you're okay and you

551
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,419
know and I'm like

552
00:21:57,890 --> 00:21:56,640
I'm like no I thought they were A Yank

553
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,900
in my chain or something I'm like what

554
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,760
no you guys came right back

555
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:01,200
and they said well Melinda you must have

556
00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:04,500
been asleep all day and I said I wish I

557
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,840
could I could never sleep

558
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:09,000
I was so nauseous I went outside and

559
00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:10,620
took a walk I came back and you guys are

560
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,659
here so obviously Jimmy I had what's

561
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,360
called missing time okay now I always

562
00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:16,799
knew that

563
00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:18,299
and I didn't necessarily know was

564
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,520
missing time I again see older siblings

565
00:22:24,529 --> 00:22:22,500
your parents you just learned they're

566
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,539
like you dummy you slept all day and I'm

567
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:27,360
like there's no way I slept you know and

568
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:28,620
they're like you must have slept so I'm

569
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,360
like okay whatever it drop it 12 years

570
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:32,280
old you know you don't need your older

571
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:34,260
siblings to bag it on you you know okay

572
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:36,600
so all of a sudden again after having

573
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:38,100
all those sightings I have a dream at

574
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:40,140
night we're calling that when I walked

575
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:42,419
outside I walked out into the desert now

576
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:44,100
there's some houses behind there but

577
00:22:47,870 --> 00:22:45,780
back then there wasn't I've done the

578
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,880
research and double checked

579
00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:50,400
and it was open desert and I walked out

580
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:53,159
up kind of a hill down into what was

581
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:54,840
actually which is still there in a

582
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,760
housing units between houses there's

583
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,559
this Natural Area where there's this

584
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,720
kind of Creek bed that's always been

585
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:02,640
there and and so what I'd done is walked

586
00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:04,200
up the hill down at that Creek bed and

587
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:06,360
there was a landed craft and you know

588
00:23:09,470 --> 00:23:08,280
fully conscious landed craft and I was

589
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:09,480
taken on board

590
00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:12,360
and I had an abduction so that's you

591
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:15,059
know so and and so I was having that

592
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:18,720
dream now both of those experiences I've

593
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:21,900
also since had regressive hypnosis over

594
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:25,140
you oh okay now let's stop right there

595
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:28,200
let's back the truck up okay it's back

596
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:31,679
to truck up uh you said it was fully

597
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:33,179
conscious you came up over the top of

598
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,940
the hill you look down boom uh there's a

599
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:37,919
landed craft there when you say fully

600
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,140
conscious uh was that part of the dream

601
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:42,539
or you remember this happening

602
00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:44,760
well no because all I'd remembered my

603
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:48,179
whole life up was just a missing time

604
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:50,820
right yeah was that my family came back

605
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:52,679
and gave me a bad time and said you must

606
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:55,320
have slept and I said I never slept I

607
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:56,820
have not been laying here for six hours

608
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,460
that's possible okay uh the reason why

609
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:02,159
I'm asking you said uh this is a fully

610
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,200
conscious memory I came up over the top

611
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:06,419
of the hill there's a landing well then

612
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,500
then

613
00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:09,600
after having all those sightings out at

614
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:12,120
Area 51 and having these series of

615
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:13,679
Dreams where I started to recall stuff

616
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,860
that initially came up in dreams right I

617
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:18,720
had a dream about that whole thing right

618
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,299
now and then later I also got regressive

619
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:24,240
hypnosis to clarify okay stop I got too

620
00:24:29,289 --> 00:24:25,860
many questions let's not get ahead of

621
00:24:29,299 --> 00:24:33,470
what did the craft look like

622
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:34,970
that one

623
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:39,470
cut because

624
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,159
Big Bowl

625
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,159
okay imagine like a like a like a salad

626
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:46,620
bowl or a deep soup bowl okay or mixing

627
00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:49,320
bowl okay both like a lip on it

628
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:52,980
um sitting on three or four legs and

629
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:55,380
then on top if you took like a shallow

630
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:57,419
soup bowl and flipped it over and had

631
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,940
that on top so it was a big bowl on the

632
00:25:04,990 --> 00:25:02,400
bottom you know so disc it's a disc you

633
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:05,000
know but a big you know so big giant fat

634
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:07,740
Underside Bowl on the bomb and a shallow

635
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,720
bowl upside down on top so in other

636
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:11,340
words the the bottom was bigger than the

637
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:15,059
top and it had four legs and when I

638
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:16,679
walked over that hill and looked at it

639
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,140
I'm like what am I I mean I'm 12 years

640
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,720
old going what am I looking at

641
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:24,240
didn't really have a concept of UFO or

642
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:26,039
anything but just my what but then I

643
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:28,380
remember going what thinking there were

644
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,840
like little kids around it and the more

645
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,000
I looked at it walking around it were

646
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,559
little with what I would now know are

647
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,600
Grays you know but there were these

648
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:38,760
little guys you know

649
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,140
roughly four foot tall or something

650
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:42,240
walking around and I'm like going what

651
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:45,720
are those you know and uh and in the

652
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:49,140
dream I saw them and I felt compelled

653
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,720
you know to walk towards it maybe you

654
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,520
know whatever they probably under some

655
00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:55,200
kind of former control or something but

656
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,900
I felt compelled to I wasn't scared I

657
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,700
was more curious and I walked towards it

658
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:01,320
and next thing I know they're like

659
00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:03,659
greeting me they're walking the upper

660
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,220
ramp on board

661
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,679
I end up having a series of like medical

662
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:09,900
stuff happen and I got a little scoop

663
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:11,880
Mark at 12 years old

664
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,419
that I have on my leg to this day and

665
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:17,700
the other experience that happened when

666
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:19,740
I was five they gave me a scoot Mark

667
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:23,279
that time too and I have that scar still

668
00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:28,440
on my leg so so both of those one was um

669
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:31,320
yeah so both of those one was on my shin

670
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:34,200
same leg my right leg below my sh on my

671
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,880
shin and the other one just below my

672
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:37,679
knee

673
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:40,440
um one of them big bigger's first

674
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,419
covering more space but extremely

675
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:44,880
shallow like just really a very very

676
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:47,220
kind of shallow scarf and the other one

677
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,620
is is a deeper in debt but is really

678
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,200
quite small I'd say that

679
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:54,480
you know anyways quite small but a

680
00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:57,299
deeper in debt but both of those I got

681
00:27:02,510 --> 00:26:59,820
when I was five and twelve and I always

682
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,520
knew I had those as a kid and as a

683
00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:04,320
teenager I never knew how I got them I

684
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,640
go I don't know how I don't know how I

685
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:08,159
got these and so suddenly this it turns

686
00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:10,020
out this is how I got these when I was

687
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:12,419
five and again when I was 12 I got both

688
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,960
scoop marks and I have two I have two

689
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:17,760
scoop marks

690
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:21,179
there were from a German Shepherd when I

691
00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:22,500
was

692
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:24,419
like I didn't know you were an abdic

693
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,179
teacher I was abducted by a German

694
00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:29,580
Shepherd in the backyard

695
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:30,620
um

696
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,960
my other leg many many years later as an

697
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,580
adult I got bitten on my leg by German

698
00:27:41,149 --> 00:27:37,620
Shepherds yeah commiserate with you on

699
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:41,159
that I I don't I was so afraid of I got

700
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:43,799
attacked by a Doberman Pinscher when I

701
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:46,440
was about 10. the German Shepherd

702
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:48,179
happened when I was five and I'm telling

703
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,539
you right now I was gun shy it could

704
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:54,720
have been a a little poodle this big I

705
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,820
wanted nothing to do with dogs for for

706
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,140
the longest time

707
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,480
um I had a kind of a knee-jure crash and

708
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,120
particularly big dogs and big dogs

709
00:28:06,649 --> 00:28:04,980
burying their teeth because that

710
00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:06,659
happened right before he lunged after me

711
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:10,919
but luckily it only really was acute for

712
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,600
maybe five years afterwards and the

713
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:14,580
adventure got over it uh no it took me

714
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,620
about 20. so

715
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:18,960
um uh did the crap take off

716
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:32,210
what a dream state and then in

717
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:35,700
regression as well but they did uh do

718
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,980
the scoop Mark and do a medical exam

719
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,960
they may have done more with me I'm just

720
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:42,480
not I just haven't remembered all of it

721
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:45,179
um because I'm thinking well I had to

722
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,340
you know been gone for hours no I don't

723
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:49,200
remember it taking off but maybe it did

724
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:51,900
it was just you know the the what came

725
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:54,360
up in a dream and then in a regressive

726
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:56,400
hypnosis later

727
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,159
um was not a lot of detail you know but

728
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:01,620
it was enough to kind of be clear to me

729
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,200
that that's how I got that scoop Mark

730
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,320
and that that's what accounted for the

731
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:09,600
missing time that day now I I don't know

732
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:11,880
if that's an official abduction I think

733
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:24,409
an amazing experience

734
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,799
um and and what is up with Joshua Tree I

735
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:30,600
mean you and I have had our sightings

736
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:34,440
there certainly uh they were tremendous

737
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:37,260
um you know going back to Van Tassel and

738
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:40,200
Landers and giant rock I was just out of

739
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:42,120
giant rock a couple of months ago had

740
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,460
amazing sightings all night long what is

741
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,279
up with Joshua Tree

742
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:49,260
yeah well um

743
00:29:57,049 --> 00:29:52,980
it is a UFO Hot Spot it's known for that

744
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,059
um that the giant rock area uh is known

745
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,120
as a hot spot has a huge amount of lore

746
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,200
going back to uh what would be like the

747
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:06,059
1950s contact team moving out there and

748
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:10,620
and George Van Tassel and uh Etc

749
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,039
um and a damski you have Van Tassel and

750
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:16,200
adamski in their experiences and then

751
00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:19,620
Van Tassel uh creating the Integratron

752
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:22,460
building which has the sound resonance

753
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,159
and uh and maybe was supposed to be a

754
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:28,320
time machine kind of thing but he ended

755
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,419
up dying I think what was still under

756
00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:32,399
construction if I remember correctly no

757
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:34,380
I haven't he got uh well that's the

758
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,140
Integratron he built a time I met the

759
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:39,120
integraton yeah yeah but he built a time

760
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,880
machine in in Santa Monica oh okay okay

761
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:44,640
well so but the Integra time was

762
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:46,020
supposed to be more and he never

763
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,419
finished it so it never got finished and

764
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,460
but it does House have this incredible

765
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:53,159
sound resonance so I know now you can go

766
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,140
and tour it and take what they call

767
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,960
these sound baths and you know uh and I

768
00:31:02,029 --> 00:31:00,120
think they play I think probably Crystal

769
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:02,039
bowls and bells and stuff and then you

770
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:03,720
were immersed in sound have you ever

771
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,520
done that by the way Jimmy I never have

772
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:07,919
there yeah I I

773
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:11,100
um it's a little too even for me uh

774
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:14,340
Melinda uh who's running it now it's

775
00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:16,620
it's it's it's it's not really my cup of

776
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,679
tea and how they handle stuff

777
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:20,820
I've never done it either but I know

778
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,740
lots of people that have so and they

779
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,000
said it was a pretty cool you know

780
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:25,440
experience but

781
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:27,779
um I've certainly been there around the

782
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,940
outside of the building and then out to

783
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:31,919
giant rock itself many times but it's

784
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,120
well known in the in the Lord you know

785
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,980
anything that helped me I'm just gonna

786
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:40,559
show everybody really quick this is

787
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:42,360
giant rock

788
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,260
um and it's you know what's funny you

789
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:48,299
can never take a picture of giant rock

790
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:51,720
that shows you how big this thing is

791
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,100
right it's 7 eight stories tall it takes

792
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,260
like five minutes to walk around the

793
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:01,440
bottom of it it is just huge but that's

794
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:04,980
me and uh Billy Carson uh out there uh

795
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:07,980
last month and and that little black

796
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,960
area right there Melinda didn't mention

797
00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:11,760
this but right there that is where

798
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:14,580
George fantaso lived

799
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,200
um there's an entrance there it's been

800
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,480
blown up by the park service

801
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:21,840
um uh and it's filled in but he had a he

802
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,120
had a full-on apartment there yeah I had

803
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,760
been to that that when he had that and

804
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:30,000
he had a little separate Library thing

805
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,080
too as a kid I remember when we go out

806
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,299
to my grandma's and we'd go out there

807
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,360
and there was an airport there yeah go

808
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,000
there there's no building now but

809
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,460
there's a slab and then the and if you

810
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:46,320
know where to look you can see remnants

811
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:49,740
of the old Runway but but they had a

812
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,020
little coffee shop and that's the slab

813
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,779
next to the Rock anyways but as a really

814
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:56,640
little kid I had been there when that

815
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:58,860
was a coffee shop and an airport we'd

816
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,279
gone out there and so uh you know I've

817
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,320
been back now as an adult many times but

818
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,020
but uh as a child we we were there when

819
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:08,640
those things existed

820
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:11,580
yeah here is uh I'll pop this up really

821
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,279
quick too as well uh because this is

822
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:16,559
this is smack dab in the middle of

823
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:19,140
Landers right here this is the

824
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:21,179
Integratron

825
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:25,679
um which uh is off in the back yes so

826
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:28,019
let me that's the Integratron right

827
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:32,640
there and Van Tassel uh look at Billy's

828
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,880
teeth look at that that guy spends way

829
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:39,120
too much money why does the building and

830
00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:42,539
um but originally uh there's metal on it

831
00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:45,080
now but when George got his instructions

832
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:48,899
uh from his E.T brothers and sisters uh

833
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:51,140
this was to be built without any metal

834
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,100
and the top of its spun and it was it

835
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:58,559
was uh yeah it was an age regression

836
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,880
machine and and uh it's just incredible

837
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,279
it's beautiful too as well

838
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,500
um you when you see it so that that's

839
00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:09,720
Landers now how close was your

840
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:11,399
grandmother's house to uh the

841
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:20,589
ICS

842
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:23,389
the last time I had been there was

843
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:28,550
you know like 12 maybe 14 years old you

844
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,139
know the oldest so so uh and then my

845
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:33,300
grandmother passed away so

846
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,780
um I I've gone back in that area trying

847
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,359
to maybe find where it was

848
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:42,720
um the the family members who knew the

849
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,300
directions aren't with us anymore

850
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:48,480
um at one time my brother had gone back

851
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:49,619
out

852
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:50,460
um

853
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,580
many many years ago but as an adult and

854
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:55,740
my mom was still living and given the

855
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:57,780
directions he claims he can't find them

856
00:35:02,170 --> 00:35:00,180
anymore because I would love to find

857
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:02,180
where her place was

858
00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:05,820
but but I do I think it was a number of

859
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,260
miles away

860
00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:10,320
Melinda let me let me just jump in

861
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,380
um uh is

862
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:15,119
Landers where you see the Integratron

863
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,859
here this is for everybody so you

864
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:18,480
understand uh what we're talking about

865
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,300
here you continue on that road you make

866
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:23,040
a left-hand turn you drive out to giant

867
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:26,880
rock giant rock in the early 1950s 1950s

868
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:30,660
1951 George Van Tassel

869
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,920
um had a flying saucer land next to his

870
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,560
Airport runway that he had out there was

871
00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:39,420
a dirt Runway but he had it he had the

872
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:41,579
lights and everything and and so he was

873
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:45,660
made made contact and got aboard this

874
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:47,700
craft and flew around this was one of

875
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:51,180
the first after Roswell and and the

876
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:52,740
other things that were going on this was

877
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,980
one of the first uh experiences like

878
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,500
this that that went public and that

879
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:00,780
happened right there and what so when I

880
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:03,420
say what's up with Landers you know in

881
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:06,440
giant rock and you and your experiences

882
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:11,220
this is a very small area out in the

883
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:15,480
middle of the desert yes and and for me

884
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:17,220
to

885
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,220
find out in 89 I'd had those abductions

886
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,560
at my grandmother's Place initially and

887
00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:24,300
some I was living in Palos Verdes

888
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:26,180
California I had some from there as well

889
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:29,160
but but it was those initial memories

890
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,220
out there and then years later to learn

891
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,980
about giant rock and the integraton and

892
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:36,900
everything and knowing that you know now

893
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:40,740
like I do but years later so I I is just

894
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:44,760
curious to me like wow you know here I

895
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,720
was having those experiences there and

896
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:51,540
and at the same time for instance

897
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:53,579
another friend of mine and her family

898
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,700
were going they have these these these

899
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,520
UFO space conventions out there at giant

900
00:37:02,990 --> 00:37:01,200
rock where they'd have people sit

901
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:03,000
outside and they'd put up a temporary

902
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:04,619
stage and you know they have these

903
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,160
outdoor things and uh a friend of mine

904
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:10,320
who lives here in town it's Jimmy it's

905
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:11,700
someone you know but anyway so she would

906
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:15,480
go out there to with her family and um

907
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:18,599
and like those things were going on at

908
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:21,180
the same time or roughly you know but

909
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:22,980
the same years I was having those

910
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:25,380
experiences at my grandmother's place

911
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:28,500
not far from there and so my early

912
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,619
abductions are in in that way anyways

913
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,200
directly related to that lore of that

914
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,900
area and at the same time might not in

915
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:38,640
the 50s granted there was the the stuff

916
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,980
originally in the 50s but what continued

917
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,440
into the 60s and 70s out there which

918
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,300
were the events my friend and her family

919
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:47,700
were attending so you go okay that was

920
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,460
at the same time period and uh and and

921
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:52,920
when you go into that little building

922
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:54,359
that used to be there at the airport

923
00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:57,240
where now there's just a cement slab I

924
00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:58,619
might even know what it ceased to exist

925
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:00,900
it's probably in the 70s or something a

926
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,060
long time ago anyways but when you would

927
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:05,220
go in there

928
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,119
I remember that there was like a hallway

929
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,160
maybe from the entrance maybe there was

930
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:12,720
a hallway before you went to the coffee

931
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:14,099
shop

932
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:16,020
um because I remember going to this

933
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,980
hallway and there were all these

934
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,020
pictures on the walls like black and

935
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:21,599
white like UFO pictures and all the

936
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:24,060
stuff from my Dancy stuff stuff

937
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:26,220
and I was a really little kid and I

938
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,440
remember looking at them and going

939
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:30,900
wow look at this and and my mom's saying

940
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,820
oh that's silly that's not real those

941
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:34,440
those aren't real and I go what do you

942
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,140
mean there's pictures right here a few

943
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,880
photos of craft and there's people and

944
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,320
you know what do you mean this isn't

945
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,240
real that's a photo there's an object

946
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:43,920
there's people there's you know what I

947
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,980
mean I guess it was a little kid I I

948
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:49,140
laugh about it now but as a little kid

949
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,700
I'm looking at these pictures going well

950
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,260
I knew there was something about that

951
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,599
that I knew or believed that to be real

952
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:56,760
and yet my mom was like oh that's just

953
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:58,859
silly that's not real you know and I

954
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,119
think about that now I was thinking

955
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,920
about that knowing we'd be talking about

956
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,320
some of this today I was like God I used

957
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:05,520
to see those pictures in that hallway

958
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:07,260
and I was a little kid like arguing with

959
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:09,780
my mom like a part of me knew it was

960
00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:12,599
real you know and yet my whole journey

961
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,040
didn't start until September of 1989.

962
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,640
and here is uh here's another part uh to

963
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,000
Melinda and I and and her connection

964
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:27,119
um the Green Chrome balls you know that

965
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:31,140
that siding that was with Melinda and

966
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:35,940
that night which was Ben Joshua tree

967
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:37,820
right

968
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:41,460
and uh and and I I told that story so

969
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:42,900
often I brought you on Coast to Coast

970
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,540
immediately too as well to uh to talk

971
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:48,000
about all of that and

972
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:51,000
um if if we think about it now and I and

973
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:56,220
I do Melinda that exciting was to the

974
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,359
north

975
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,280
right the Green Chrome ball going across

976
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:01,380
and then going up that's that's over

977
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,660
Landers that'd be over that area yeah

978
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:06,079
that's that's over that area

979
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:08,280
giant rock in the distance I mean we

980
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:08,940
were

981
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:13,859
on the border with Yucca Valley at the

982
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:16,920
uh Center where the uh contact the

983
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,560
desert conference Houston originally

984
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,599
happened and but you're right when

985
00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:23,220
you're looking the hills that direction

986
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,560
you're kind of looking straight out that

987
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:27,839
way sure yeah yeah there's something

988
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:29,880
special going on and I think the

989
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,619
indigenous culture is new I think

990
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:33,359
there's a lot of spirituality that's

991
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,060
happening out there too as well and yeah

992
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,680
even the splitting of the rock there was

993
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:39,720
a Native American prophecy that that

994
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,500
would happen and then it was channeled I

995
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,180
know someone who is present at the event

996
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:48,000
that happened out there when that was

997
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:50,220
channeled that that was going to happen

998
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:51,900
and there was or when it would happen

999
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,700
and there was a Native American prophecy

1000
00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:56,579
and and then it happened so it all

1001
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,400
fulfilled that exactly when they because

1002
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:02,640
giant rock got split about a just a big

1003
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,320
piece of it about a third of it or less

1004
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:06,960
but it's a big challenge

1005
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,760
yeah less than half but about a third of

1006
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,680
it third of it caved off it's still

1007
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:12,720
there the piece is there but it just it

1008
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:15,960
split and uh but again the Native

1009
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,060
Americans said that would happen it was

1010
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:20,160
a significant prophecy and then it was

1011
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:21,480
channeled when it would happen and

1012
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,579
that's exactly when it happened so it's

1013
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:25,500
kind of very very unique story about

1014
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,619
that okay so uh five years old 12 years

1015
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,200
old 1989

1016
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,380
um area 51. and then like in there too

1017
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:37,920
as another experience of driving with my

1018
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:39,420
family

1019
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,380
um

1020
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:42,480
having a significant period of missing

1021
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:43,800
time being

1022
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:47,160
um my my dad and my older two sisters

1023
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,020
I'm the youngest of five we're going to

1024
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,420
come out to my grandmother's later like

1025
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:53,280
my dad had to work my sister's had stuff

1026
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,240
going on but my mom and my brother my

1027
00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:59,280
sister Nancy and me so three of us and

1028
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:01,800
my mom were going to go out early

1029
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:04,200
and we were supposed to be there

1030
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:05,460
um

1031
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:08,820
at least two or three hours ahead of of

1032
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:11,420
my dad and my older sisters

1033
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:16,140
and we drove out there and we

1034
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:18,300
drove during the afternoon but we ran

1035
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:21,720
out of gas and it might defel us it was

1036
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,500
like right at dust we ran out of gas and

1037
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:28,079
um my mom knew that we were very close

1038
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,820
we're right outside of Yucca Valley

1039
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:31,980
right outside of town and so she said my

1040
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:33,540
brother who was the oldest of his three

1041
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:35,400
and I'm thinking at that time because

1042
00:42:41,089 --> 00:42:38,040
this is when my brother was I think

1043
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:41,099
about 12 and I was probably eight let's

1044
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:44,579
say okay so and then my sister would be

1045
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:47,820
right between us and age and uh and so

1046
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:50,880
she sent my brother out she said I know

1047
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,500
we're only like less than a mile from

1048
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:54,000
the gas station

1049
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:56,040
walk over there you know it's early in

1050
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,540
the evening they'll be open walk there

1051
00:43:03,130 --> 00:42:59,280
and tell them what happened

1052
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:03,140
and we're out of gas okay and then

1053
00:43:08,809 --> 00:43:05,819
semi trucks kept passing us eventually a

1054
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,819
semi truck uh saw us apparently passed

1055
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:11,760
us on my brother picked him up took him

1056
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,040
to the gas station I missed was the you

1057
00:43:18,849 --> 00:43:16,380
know 70s folks you know early stuff like

1058
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:18,859
that really did happen yeah yeah I mean

1059
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:22,020
even now that could happen being that

1060
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:23,640
close and you know sending out the

1061
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:26,339
brother okay but so the guy in the truck

1062
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,540
picked him up took him the gas station

1063
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:30,240
got a can of gas came back and this

1064
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:31,800
truck pulls up behind us my mom's

1065
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:34,619
nervous first brief second and out jumps

1066
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:36,540
my brother and the driver and you know

1067
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:38,700
and he says is this yours you know I'm

1068
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,440
fighting at my brother okay yeah anyway

1069
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,079
so it puts the gas in the car and so

1070
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:45,599
that none of that took that long you

1071
00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:48,900
know again a sense of time yeah it had

1072
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:51,300
gotten dark but we figured it's like you

1073
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,380
know

1074
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,480
maybe an hour total from when we let

1075
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,400
from when you know we sat there for a

1076
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:58,920
while and then my mom eventually said my

1077
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:01,260
brother and then the guy gets them and

1078
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:03,300
you know so it all again like less than

1079
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,140
an hour we get out to my grandmother's

1080
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:09,960
we get to her house my dad and my

1081
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:12,300
sisters are already there

1082
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,000
which makes no sense

1083
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:17,099
and the sheriff's there

1084
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:18,300
I think two sheriffs I remember

1085
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,180
correctly and my dad is really Furious

1086
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,819
where have you been what's happened

1087
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,640
and she said we ran out of gas but this

1088
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,160
this argument happened like well what

1089
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:31,920
took you all night and she's like what

1090
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:34,200
it can only be an hour later you and

1091
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,700
then thinking well you guys must have

1092
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,200
left earlier than you said you were

1093
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,839
going to he said no just the opposite we

1094
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,880
left later

1095
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:43,920
so there's how did he get there before

1096
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:46,440
us and I remember all this arguing and

1097
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,380
then and then the the the sheriff and

1098
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:51,000
what had happened is

1099
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:53,579
it had been many hours

1100
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:56,520
again it's like it's like midnight okay

1101
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,819
well we had missing time get this

1102
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,640
when we didn't show up they got panicked

1103
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:04,319
they called the sheriff

1104
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:06,780
sheriffs drove up and down that section

1105
00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:08,940
of highway it's a little two-lane road

1106
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,619
going into town at that time still is

1107
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:14,760
what would have been a little freeway

1108
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:18,060
you know going into Yucca Valley and and

1109
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:21,780
the sheriff went up and down that road

1110
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:24,060
looking for art because we had a big

1111
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,500
station wagon that I was in with my mom

1112
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,319
they didn't even see the car

1113
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:30,960
they were shining searchlights in the

1114
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:33,060
ditches thinking we had gotten an

1115
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,680
accident or something and we're down in

1116
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,300
one of the ditches on the side you know

1117
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:38,880
and so they were looking every place to

1118
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:40,440
see if they could find our car and they

1119
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:41,880
drove up and down

1120
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:45,060
and she said we were in the car on the

1121
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,619
side of the road and this is the sheriff

1122
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:48,900
saying we looked for you

1123
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:51,060
your car was never there

1124
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:52,920
on the section road just outside down

1125
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,900
where you say you were we looked there

1126
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,400
we drove up and down

1127
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,680
and we never saw your car so not only

1128
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,420
did we have significant missing time

1129
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:02,640
that my dad and the sisters who should

1130
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,380
have gotten out there three hours later

1131
00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:06,720
than us got out there before before us

1132
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,819
right but on top of it we show up at

1133
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,680
like midnight the sheriff's sitting

1134
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,660
there after 11 anyways I remember them

1135
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:14,400
saying it's midnight or almost midnight

1136
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:16,859
or something like that and then and this

1137
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,859
whole thing about we we looked for you

1138
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:21,599
we didn't even see your car

1139
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,450
Jimmy okay Melinda

1140
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,260
I can't hear you okay I can hear you

1141
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,119
just fine

1142
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:36,060
so I don't know what the issue is

1143
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:39,660
okay so Jimmy I can't hear you okay

1144
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,940
Melinda I know it's something on your

1145
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:44,640
end it's not over here

1146
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:51,240
okay what do we do what do we do Jimmy I

1147
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,119
can't hear you okay Melinda it's you I

1148
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:56,460
haven't touched anything

1149
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:00,960
I can't hear you I I know I can't hear

1150
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,160
you okay all right uh let's uh let's

1151
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:07,260
take a break then let's uh go ahead and

1152
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:09,180
take a break and we'll be right back and

1153
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:13,740
maybe uh we can get Melinda to fix her

1154
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:16,500
situation this is Fade to Black

1155
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,560
see the hum just went away

1156
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:22,020
more with Melinda right after this

1157
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:23,940
this is Jimmy Church of Fade to Black

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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

1231
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:39,119
am your host Jimmy Church it looks like

1232
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:42,420
uh Melinda give me the thumbs up

1233
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:45,900
do we have thumbs up here are we thumbs

1234
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,440
up yeah we are all right okay so oh gosh

1235
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:52,380
but I can't hear you oh no

1236
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:57,680
oh what is going on I can't hear okay uh

1237
00:51:02,829 --> 00:51:00,839
Jim I can't hear you I don't know what

1238
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:02,839
to do

1239
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:09,900
Melinda uh you need to give me the

1240
00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:11,940
thumbs up she gave me thumbs up and then

1241
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,460
it went away

1242
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:16,619
um we're talking about uh Landers uh

1243
00:51:21,490 --> 00:51:19,980
California Joshua tree and uh Melinda's

1244
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:21,500
start with everything

1245
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:24,599
when uh she

1246
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:28,859
uh went out to Area 51 in 1989 and uh

1247
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:30,900
did a few trips out there

1248
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,200
and uh you know to the Black Mailbox and

1249
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:37,200
then started to have recall of these

1250
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:41,940
events when she was a child and uh now

1251
00:51:48,849 --> 00:51:44,579
uh Melinda's resetting everything so

1252
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:48,859
we'll see if uh if we get her back and

1253
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:54,180
and uh yeah yeah hate to cut the show uh

1254
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:57,720
short tonight but uh you know it uh it

1255
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,819
is what it is and uh we'll see if we get

1256
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:01,200
Melinda back

1257
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,870
Joshua Tree I've never not had an

1258
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:11,280
experience out there

1259
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:13,619
um I was just out there with Billy

1260
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:15,000
Carson we went out there with some

1261
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:17,720
friends and went out to giant rock

1262
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,460
and the sightings that we had that night

1263
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,079
it was just it was just absolutely

1264
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:23,760
incredible we took the Jeep and and

1265
00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:26,760
parked it up on top of this hill and uh

1266
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,500
that was pretty treacherous and we got

1267
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,839
up there you know set up and oh Melinda

1268
00:52:36,349 --> 00:52:32,480
says

1269
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,359
thumbs up okay I can hear you now okay

1270
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,920
good I thought that was weird I lost

1271
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:39,480
sound for a while I couldn't hear you

1272
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:42,119
sorry everybody just Gremlins ghost in

1273
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:45,300
the machine yeah it is it is okay so uh

1274
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:47,160
what I was asking

1275
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:51,599
uh going back so your mom your brother

1276
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:56,040
uh there was three of you and and the uh

1277
00:53:00,849 --> 00:52:57,420
your sister

1278
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:00,859
um they all are are you suggesting

1279
00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:04,619
on the car everybody got abducted yeah

1280
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:06,780
they took they had to take all of us on

1281
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:09,480
the car are for us to show up after my

1282
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:11,160
dad my sisters were already out there

1283
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:13,380
right close to midnight when we were

1284
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,720
supposed to be out there you know like

1285
00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:17,339
probably like

1286
00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:18,900
six or something you know we were

1287
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,579
supposed to be out there either before

1288
00:53:25,549 --> 00:53:23,040
it got dark or shortly thereafter and

1289
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,559
they get their hours ahead of us and

1290
00:53:30,010 --> 00:53:27,300
enough to call the sheriff and send them

1291
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,020
looking for us yeah I mean I you know

1292
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:32,640
obviously something happened there and I

1293
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,640
don't recall what happened okay so you

1294
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:38,160
didn't have the same dream sequence uh

1295
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:41,880
I'm just saying that later I realized I

1296
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,319
was thinking

1297
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:45,359
years later I realized thinking about

1298
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:47,819
this whole event and then going wait a

1299
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:49,319
second that had to have been an

1300
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:51,900
abduction with my family and then there

1301
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:55,380
was times as teenagers I as a child I

1302
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,319
grew up skiing with my family and we

1303
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:00,240
would friends of my parents had a house

1304
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:02,819
a very nice large house in Mammoth

1305
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:05,760
Mountain California and we would go stay

1306
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:08,520
there I did quite a bit of skiing uh at

1307
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,079
Mammoth as a kid

1308
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,020
and there was an experience of my sister

1309
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:16,559
and I being in um this one bedroom

1310
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,700
together

1311
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:20,640
that I now know is like two and a half

1312
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:23,880
stories up it's a full more than two you

1313
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:27,900
know tall stories up and I there was

1314
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:31,740
experience of being woken early in the

1315
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:32,819
morning or in the middle of night maybe

1316
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:36,540
even by my sister and her

1317
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,339
saying there was a bear outside the

1318
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:40,079
window looking in and that we were

1319
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,579
looking at this bear looking in the

1320
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:42,960
window

1321
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:45,720
and she was screaming and freaked out

1322
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,540
well years later as an adult I did go

1323
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:51,119
back to that house and that's when I

1324
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,740
realized this is a two-story window

1325
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:54,839
there's Boulders outside right there

1326
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,099
piled up that have always been there

1327
00:55:02,690 --> 00:54:59,760
like the house is built in to a stack of

1328
00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:02,700
Boulders and solid you know uh Ground

1329
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:05,579
And so there's was never a tree or

1330
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:07,079
anything that a bear could have been in

1331
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:09,720
you know I mean nothing there's giant

1332
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:13,020
land there and no roots or any you know

1333
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:15,660
resemblance there ever being a tree in

1334
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:17,339
that corner anywhere near that corner of

1335
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,839
the building there are other trees

1336
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,300
around but not there and you go wait

1337
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,760
there was never a tree though that house

1338
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:26,099
was built into those rocks

1339
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:28,920
and yet so what we thought was a bear

1340
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,619
staring at the window that's often a

1341
00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:33,119
common thing this thing about an animal

1342
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:34,619
staring in the windows common in

1343
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,599
abductions as what's called screen

1344
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,200
memory and I'm thinking my sister

1345
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,760
yelling and screaming and US waking up

1346
00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:43,380
and my parents had to rush in the room

1347
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:45,319
you know I'm thinking that was probably

1348
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:49,260
an experience then too because there's

1349
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:51,180
no animal looking in the window that's

1350
00:55:57,470 --> 00:55:54,119
impossible there and yet we both saw it

1351
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:57,480
you know and and and I I grew up sharing

1352
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,160
a room with my sister I have a few other

1353
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,380
times where I think my sister and I

1354
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:03,900
might have had stuff happen

1355
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:05,700
um so I go back to this you know

1356
00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:07,500
childhood stuff

1357
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,800
and then all of a sudden still in 89

1358
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:12,240
after

1359
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:15,000
surfacing in dreams and memories and my

1360
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:17,460
remembering past things I suddenly

1361
00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:19,619
haven't experience I have a bunch of

1362
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,480
back-to-back experiences that were

1363
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:24,480
current and new but one of those

1364
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,579
I had a roommate I had two roommates at

1365
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,319
the time Scott and Gail Scott was out of

1366
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:30,480
town on business we had a two-story

1367
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,140
townhouse in Tustin California and right

1368
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:35,520
near where the since you know the area

1369
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:37,380
Jimmy were the five and the 55 meet

1370
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:39,300
right there okay

1371
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:40,500
and

1372
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,420
Scott's out of town

1373
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:44,160
my roommate Gail's going through a

1374
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:45,720
divorce her and I have this late night

1375
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:48,119
conversation about the stress she's

1376
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,040
going through and stuff with her divorce

1377
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,319
separation from her husband

1378
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:54,480
I um

1379
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,579
go to bed I was an office manager at the

1380
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:58,980
time I had to get up early for work the

1381
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,780
next day and I had a deadline so I

1382
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,920
really wanted to get him work a little

1383
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:04,559
early and a deadline on a project that I

1384
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:05,819
was working on

1385
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,420
as an office manager and so we were

1386
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:11,280
talking and I said I got to go to bed at

1387
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,280
10 because I got to get up at 6 30 and

1388
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,440
you know go into work

1389
00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:18,720
and ice and or even my alarm was gonna

1390
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:20,339
go off at six so I want to get to bed by

1391
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:22,140
ten so I have eight hours sleep well we

1392
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:23,579
end up talking until midnight and I was

1393
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,020
so bummed because I'm like oh man I'm

1394
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:26,640
only gonna get six hours of sleep if I

1395
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:29,640
get to bed right away so I sat on my bed

1396
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:32,280
sat my alarm next to me double checked

1397
00:57:35,809 --> 00:57:33,300
my alarm

1398
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:35,819
did some deep breathing exercises just

1399
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:37,319
to relax back then I wouldn't have taken

1400
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:39,660
a sleeping aid or anything you know but

1401
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,940
I I did some deep breathing I laid back

1402
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:43,920
on my bed I go to check my alarm again

1403
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,540
and turn and turn on you know reach and

1404
00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:47,280
turn off the light

1405
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:49,380
and it was suddenly two and a half hours

1406
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,520
later

1407
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:52,260
and there's no way I was sitting on my

1408
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:53,640
bed for two and a half hours and we had

1409
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:55,380
a full discussion about what time it was

1410
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:57,180
and the fact that I had to get to bed

1411
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,920
immediately and fall asleep right away

1412
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,720
which is why I did the deep breathing to

1413
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:02,880
make sure I'd fall asleep right away and

1414
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:05,099
it and suddenly when I double checked my

1415
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,380
alarm looked back from when I sat on my

1416
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:09,839
bed and laid back to suddenly reaching

1417
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,300
it's two and a half hours later and I

1418
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:15,119
had this image out of my in my head of

1419
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,160
three gray aliens standing next to the

1420
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:19,200
bed

1421
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,460
um there were three kind of different

1422
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:22,319
heights the one in the middle was

1423
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:23,940
holding a device

1424
00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:27,119
and I said this is crazy this is nuts I

1425
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:29,579
put it out of my mind I I said this is

1426
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:31,859
nuts I laid back down fell asleep so I

1427
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,240
went you know I'm sitting there I'm

1428
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:35,280
thinking about it I laid down like I

1429
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,339
fell asleep my out my alarm goes off

1430
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:41,400
like three hours later waking the dead I

1431
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:43,020
crawl into work I get through the day

1432
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,460
you know we've all done it right yeah

1433
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,500
I've never done that okay get through

1434
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:48,000
the day I come home

1435
00:58:53,089 --> 00:58:50,339
I'm making dinner in the kitchen and so

1436
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:53,099
is Gail and Gail says what happened to

1437
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:54,540
you last night and I said what do you

1438
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:57,180
mean and she said well after

1439
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,460
our talk she couldn't sleep so she sat

1440
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,160
up in bed reading and she kept hearing

1441
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:04,079
noises downstairs so she said I kept we

1442
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:06,180
had a two-story townhouse so she kept

1443
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:08,339
doing going downstairs no one was there

1444
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:10,140
no one was upstairs she goes okay no

1445
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,579
one's here

1446
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:13,920
but she noticed my light under my door I

1447
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:16,380
had a big gap under my bedroom door and

1448
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:19,020
so so she she's wanting to know if that

1449
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:20,280
was me it's like three in the morning

1450
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:21,900
she's wanting to nose is that me

1451
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:23,880
downstairs and she figured it must be

1452
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:25,380
because my light's under the door so she

1453
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:27,720
knocked on my door no answer she knocks

1454
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,640
on my door no answer she pounds on my

1455
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:31,680
door no answer now she's afraid

1456
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,240
something happened to me because I'm

1457
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:35,040
obviously in my room I'm nowhere in the

1458
00:59:39,049 --> 00:59:37,020
house you know my lights on so she goes

1459
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,059
in my room I'm not there Jimmy she goes

1460
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:40,799
in my room during my missing time

1461
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,500
and Witnesses I'm not there room is

1462
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,780
empty light on

1463
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:48,720
and then so then

1464
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:51,180
she goes back downstairs she she opens

1465
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:53,940
the front door my car we had carports

1466
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,460
and my carport space was right outside

1467
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:58,559
our front door she said Melinda car was

1468
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:59,880
right there you hadn't driven anywhere

1469
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:02,280
she's looking around outside inside I'm

1470
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,900
nowhere to be found anywhere at three in

1471
01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:05,220
the morning she's like what the hell

1472
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:06,359
happened

1473
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:08,220
and when she goes to tell me this why

1474
01:00:12,049 --> 01:00:10,380
we're making dinner that night right I'm

1475
01:00:13,309 --> 01:00:12,059
freaking out a little bit and I'm like I

1476
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,319
don't know I don't know what you know

1477
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:16,079
and so she drops it and we eat dinner at

1478
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:18,119
about probably about two hours later she

1479
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:20,280
goes are you calmer now and I go yeah

1480
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,960
I'm calm I'm fine what's wrong you know

1481
01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:23,520
and she goes well there's more I go what

1482
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:25,500
do you mean there's more and she used to

1483
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:27,720
say she after going in my room and going

1484
01:00:31,609 --> 01:00:29,400
downstairs and seeing my car was there

1485
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,619
she said I went she went back in her

1486
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:34,559
room to sit up in bed and read hoping

1487
01:00:38,210 --> 01:00:36,660
she was going to hear me her door was

1488
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,220
right at the top of the stairs the

1489
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:40,079
stairs go down to the front door you

1490
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:41,940
know at the base of the stairs

1491
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,740
and she's hoping she's going to hear me

1492
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,599
come in the front door and come home and

1493
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:47,040
she's all ready to go is something wrong

1494
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:49,260
what's going on do you need help you

1495
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:51,480
know and there's a flash so she has the

1496
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:53,460
door to the hallway open there's a

1497
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,020
flashlight in the hallway

1498
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:57,900
and she looks expecting that I had

1499
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:59,339
flicked the switch really fast or

1500
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,140
something and she's all ready to go are

1501
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:03,839
you okay and she said she's sitting on

1502
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:05,400
her bed reading fully fully 100

1503
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:07,500
conscious she said coming out of the

1504
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:08,400
hallway

1505
01:01:12,890 --> 01:01:11,460
a gray alien all the flashlight steps

1506
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:12,900
into her room

1507
01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:14,520
she said well then it came up just past

1508
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:16,859
the door handle so that's door handles

1509
01:01:20,089 --> 01:01:18,780
are roughly like 36 inches so we figured

1510
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,099
this thing's just about four feet tall

1511
01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:22,619
she said it looked right at her

1512
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:24,900
she later Drew she later painted a

1513
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:27,420
picture of it that giant oversized head

1514
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:30,059
great big wrap around eyes tiny little

1515
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:31,799
body I mean when she painted I go is

1516
01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:33,000
that what she really saw and she goes

1517
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:35,700
that's exactly what I saw and she said

1518
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:38,700
it looked right at her turned now after

1519
01:01:42,109 --> 01:01:40,440
going in my room she had closed like

1520
01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:42,119
after coming back out she closed the

1521
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:44,760
door to my room because she didn't if I

1522
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,859
came home she didn't want to think I had

1523
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,480
she had gone in my room without my

1524
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:51,119
permission right you know

1525
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,880
Linda she said it turned and went

1526
01:01:56,809 --> 01:01:55,440
through your went back into the hallway

1527
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:56,819
and through your door like a knife

1528
01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:58,500
through butter like walk through your

1529
01:02:02,270 --> 01:02:00,599
doors if your door wasn't there so not

1530
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:02,280
only did she witness I was gone during

1531
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:04,740
my missing time but fully conscious she

1532
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,420
saw a gray Lane in the hallway come in

1533
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:08,640
her room and go into mine

1534
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:11,160
and and she ended up saying now she had

1535
01:02:17,809 --> 01:02:13,619
read communion by Whitley streber at

1536
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:17,819
that point I had not it came out in 85.

1537
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:22,260
and this was 89 and she she I didn't

1538
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,880
know it at the time apparently she owned

1539
01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:25,440
it because she said Melinda are you

1540
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,000
having experiences like that famous

1541
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:29,280
author that wrote that book I said I

1542
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:30,540
don't know I'd heard of the book but I

1543
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:34,140
hadn't read it and and she said

1544
01:02:38,329 --> 01:02:36,359
well I own it you know and she goes I'm

1545
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:38,339
telling you you've had experiences like

1546
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:39,359
him

1547
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,020
well so apparently so did she

1548
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:45,599
well that she witnessed mine yeah and

1549
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:48,599
then she had a 14 year old daughter

1550
01:02:54,829 --> 01:02:51,839
now it wasn't until jumping head a

1551
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:54,839
little until 93 that I learned I also

1552
01:02:58,849 --> 01:02:56,280
had the the mill lab the military

1553
01:03:01,970 --> 01:02:58,859
abduction stuff that I talked to you

1554
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:01,980
while back with you about

1555
01:03:07,970 --> 01:03:05,220
um but I'm pretty public about it and

1556
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:07,980
now I thought all that started for me

1557
01:03:13,609 --> 01:03:10,380
with a two back to back

1558
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:13,619
covert military experiences where I was

1559
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,200
picked up by covert humans because of my

1560
01:03:20,329 --> 01:03:18,960
alien abductions to be interrogated in

1561
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:20,339
one experience and the other experience

1562
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,339
to have follow-up medical procedures and

1563
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:25,440
those were both in August November of 93

1564
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:30,660
but get this my my roommate Gail

1565
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:33,240
ends up she has a 14 year old daughter

1566
01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:34,740
well going through this divorce the 14

1567
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:36,180
year old was still living with the dad

1568
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:38,280
and she was in high school

1569
01:03:43,309 --> 01:03:41,160
she'd occasionally come to visit her mom

1570
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,319
when we lived together

1571
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,540
came to stay with her mom for about

1572
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,180
three months and my understanding it was

1573
01:03:52,010 --> 01:03:50,160
during you know the summer break she was

1574
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:52,020
going to go back to school you know and

1575
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:53,520
that she left because she had to go back

1576
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:55,559
to school and missing her missing her

1577
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:57,780
dad and that's why she left

1578
01:04:02,510 --> 01:04:00,299
years later I run into Gale we we

1579
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:02,520
connect up again we hadn't spoken in in

1580
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:06,240
years so now we're talking like late 90s

1581
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:08,460
and she says why do you think Angie left

1582
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:10,740
and I said well she had to go back to

1583
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:13,260
school and she's missing her dad and she

1584
01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:15,660
said not exactly she said

1585
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:18,180
when Angie came to live there I was

1586
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:20,040
having so many experiences alien

1587
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:23,220
abduction and the covert human guys she

1588
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:25,740
said Angie and I kept witnessing stuff

1589
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:28,260
happened to you and on more than one

1590
01:04:33,770 --> 01:04:31,740
occasion they were awoken by she said

1591
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,780
they could because my bedroom was just

1592
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,099
on the other side of the wall and these

1593
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:38,400
were thin thin walls you know

1594
01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:40,200
townhouse

1595
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:43,799
and she said we heard military men in

1596
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:46,980
your room giving you like orders and

1597
01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:49,680
talking to you as if military and you

1598
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,380
were crying and pleading no no no and

1599
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:54,319
she said this happened more than once

1600
01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:57,839
and between your ET and your covert

1601
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:00,420
experiences it was so freaking out Angie

1602
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:03,780
that Angie left

1603
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,660
and but didn't go live with her dad it

1604
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:08,880
turns out part of what was causing the

1605
01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:11,460
divorce is the dad long story short was

1606
01:05:15,530 --> 01:05:13,859
abusing Angie and I'm like oh no he

1607
01:05:17,809 --> 01:05:15,540
didn't she didn't go back to that you

1608
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:17,819
know she said no Angie went and lived

1609
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,559
with my sister so poor Angie's getting

1610
01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:21,119
abused by her dad comes to stay with her

1611
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,579
mom because that's getting worse

1612
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:26,160
comes to stay with her mom is so freaked

1613
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:29,400
out by witnessing my abductions that she

1614
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:32,339
goes and lives with her aunt and I was

1615
01:05:36,109 --> 01:05:33,720
like oh and I didn't know this until

1616
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,119
years later and I said why didn't you

1617
01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:37,920
tell me then why didn't you say anything

1618
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,140
and she said Melinda you were so freaked

1619
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:41,520
out by what you're going through back

1620
01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:42,540
then

1621
01:05:49,309 --> 01:05:45,480
we thought it would be too much for you

1622
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:49,319
all right let's go back to uh 1989 in

1623
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:53,280
the townhouse right when when Gail had

1624
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:58,260
seen dude uh yeah right yeah but you

1625
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:01,920
were also uh was that before or after

1626
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,990
out and I'll tell you I'm a little I'm a

1627
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,319
little unclearded not that it really

1628
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:13,440
matters whether this was like November

1629
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:16,799
December 89 or possibly January February

1630
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:20,400
of 90. it was right in there so I I'm a

1631
01:06:23,390 --> 01:06:22,260
little bit like uncertain if it was

1632
01:06:25,789 --> 01:06:23,400
right before or right after Christmas

1633
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:25,799
but it was right in that time period I

1634
01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:28,020
mean like like right there right right

1635
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:31,619
right and uh and I want to back up and

1636
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:34,140
make one comment uh about Billy Goodman

1637
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:36,660
uh I don't want that to get away from me

1638
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,359
sure about that time which was 89.90

1639
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:44,460
um I was living in Hollywood at the time

1640
01:06:50,569 --> 01:06:48,240
and I had a friend come in from Vegas

1641
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:50,579
with cassette tapes of Billy Goodman's

1642
01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:54,180
show dude you gotta listen to this and

1643
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:57,000
uh and so over that year I ended up

1644
01:07:02,809 --> 01:07:00,720
getting a few cassettes and you know how

1645
01:07:04,190 --> 01:07:02,819
it was right the radio's on and you pop

1646
01:07:05,690 --> 01:07:04,200
in a cassette and you're recording stuff

1647
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:05,700
all night whether it's music or talk

1648
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:08,339
show or whatever and so I had hours and

1649
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:12,420
hours and hours of uh Billy Goodman

1650
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,200
um and there was something inside of me

1651
01:07:19,789 --> 01:07:17,520
um and I thought that show was really

1652
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,799
good I really like Billy Goodman uh a

1653
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:20,640
lot

1654
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:21,900
um this is because they were yeah they

1655
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:23,220
were incredible shows they really yeah

1656
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:25,799
yeah way before Art Bell oh they just

1657
01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:29,760
fight oh man yeah it was uh you know you

1658
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:33,000
remember Bill Cooper and yeah oh yeah oh

1659
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,569
you know and like Area 51 callers before

1660
01:07:46,970 --> 01:07:44,640
art did you know the kind of stuff it

1661
01:07:49,309 --> 01:07:46,980
was crazy stuff it was years before art

1662
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,319
I want to say was it was it Kevin

1663
01:07:54,010 --> 01:07:52,079
Randall and and Bill Cooper fighting I

1664
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,020
can't remember but

1665
01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:56,700
it was it was it was just a really

1666
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:01,020
really good show and and at that time

1667
01:08:06,349 --> 01:08:04,619
um as uh Bob Lazar is is coming out

1668
01:08:07,870 --> 01:08:06,359
right it was Dennis and then you know

1669
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:07,880
Bob Lazar

1670
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,760
1989 1990 period

1671
01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:13,920
um was a pretty exciting time in in

1672
01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:16,140
ufology things really blew up really

1673
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:17,460
fast

1674
01:08:22,729 --> 01:08:19,980
absolutely yeah no it was it was very

1675
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:22,739
exciting a lot of you know and I I was

1676
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,080
new to it but the show and then when I

1677
01:08:30,769 --> 01:08:27,839
started to go to Bill Hamilton's

1678
01:08:32,689 --> 01:08:30,779
lecture things he was doing and then

1679
01:08:35,209 --> 01:08:32,699
another person uh that took those over

1680
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:35,219
named Penny Harper uh that was putting

1681
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:37,980
on these monthly lectures in LA and

1682
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,640
having just top people in the field and

1683
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:43,440
then it was actually penny at one point

1684
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:44,640
who said

1685
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:46,560
the lecture for me so that was the first

1686
01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:49,080
time I ever lectured or spoke about my

1687
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:50,759
experiences well first she had two

1688
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:53,759
panels she had me on that were abdic T

1689
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:57,000
panels and and then that grew into her

1690
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:58,319
saying hey I think you could give a

1691
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,440
whole talk uh and then and then um

1692
01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:03,480
Timothy Beckley

1693
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:06,779
there's a name attended and Timothy

1694
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:08,460
Beckley was putting on a conference and

1695
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:10,739
he and he heard me be on her panels and

1696
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,859
give a lecture and Tim Beckley said

1697
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:15,660
I should have you speak at my conference

1698
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:17,580
that was an interesting presentation you

1699
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,140
gave so then that was the first time I

1700
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,600
spoke at it UFO conference was when Tim

1701
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,239
Beckley heard me and had me so yeah that

1702
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:25,679
was the beginning of my being out there

1703
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:27,299
as a public and it wasn't you guys I

1704
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,460
want people to know I never said I'm

1705
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:31,440
going to be a public abdic team

1706
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:34,020
in that time period I was working with

1707
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:36,420
Dr Deborah truncali

1708
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:39,839
who um was a therapist that bill

1709
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,199
Hamilton knew of and sent me to uh long

1710
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,359
story short and uh and as well as a few

1711
01:09:49,789 --> 01:09:48,239
other people and and Bud Hopkins was

1712
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:49,799
working with her they were Close

1713
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:52,739
Associates she was kind of trained to

1714
01:09:56,590 --> 01:09:54,480
work with abductee she was a

1715
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:56,600
full-fledged psychotherapist PHD

1716
01:10:03,410 --> 01:10:00,960
psychologist a doctor but also had been

1717
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:03,420
trained in in regressive hypnosis had

1718
01:10:07,310 --> 01:10:05,160
taken formal training but then how to

1719
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:07,320
work specifically with abductees with

1720
01:10:13,490 --> 01:10:10,560
bud and so I met Bud through her and

1721
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:13,500
everything and you know so I had

1722
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:16,080
and then Dave Jacobs I ended up being on

1723
01:10:21,290 --> 01:10:18,780
a TV show uh right after that someone

1724
01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:21,300
who heard me speak for Tim Beckley at

1725
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:23,820
one of his conferences said come to our

1726
01:10:28,669 --> 01:10:27,420
TV show and it was a panel of abductees

1727
01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:28,679
um I think it was Montel Williams

1728
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:31,320
actually and not him but someone who

1729
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:33,480
worked for him but I did that and and it

1730
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:36,719
led from one thing to an another but it

1731
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:38,520
wasn't like oh I'm gonna go public as an

1732
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:42,060
abductee it was it was Bud Hopkins and

1733
01:10:46,189 --> 01:10:44,280
Dr Deborah truncali and Dave Jacobs I

1734
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:46,199
met him doing that for a show you know

1735
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:47,940
that these people were encouraging me

1736
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,280
look you're willing to speak you can

1737
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:52,560
speak for so many abductees that either

1738
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:56,040
can't speak or aren't willing to and uh

1739
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:57,300
and you're pretty clear about your

1740
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,560
experiences you know so they were

1741
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:00,719
greatly encouraging me and then when it

1742
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:03,840
came to the millab stuff the Mio for

1743
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:05,820
military B for production the covert

1744
01:11:10,910 --> 01:11:08,520
stuff then it was Dr Deborah truncali I

1745
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,920
mean not doctor that Dr Deborah trincali

1746
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:13,199
um Carla Turner it was Carla Turner who

1747
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:14,760
said you you got to speak up and be

1748
01:11:18,530 --> 01:11:16,920
public about this and encourage me to

1749
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:18,540
talk so it wasn't like I ever made

1750
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:20,580
decision I'm going to go public I just

1751
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:23,219
kept it I took each thing as it came up

1752
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:25,320
as I was asked to do an interview where

1753
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:27,960
I was asked to speak or do it be a panel

1754
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,480
I took it you know but I was I had these

1755
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:32,960
you know pretty serious players really

1756
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:36,179
encouraging me you know to to do it so

1757
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,820
that that led to my you know here I am

1758
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,159
today with you

1759
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:42,960
and and it's funny that to bring up Tim

1760
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:46,260
Beckley because Tim and I talked uh for

1761
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:49,500
a number of years and I never had him on

1762
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:51,960
the show it was like this weird thing it

1763
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:53,400
was like okay we'll do it next week

1764
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:56,520
we'll do it next weekend and and you

1765
01:12:00,970 --> 01:11:58,739
just never know uh you know he passed

1766
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:00,980
away uh last year

1767
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:05,219
I I had not talked to him in many many

1768
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:08,520
years but once upon a time he was a dear

1769
01:12:13,450 --> 01:12:11,340
friend and a huge Catalyst to my being

1770
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:13,460
public for sure

1771
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,280
you know real real cool guy oh yeah he

1772
01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:18,960
was he was a good guy and and so

1773
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:20,280
knowledgeable about this subject I mean

1774
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,020
he was a character he was a character he

1775
01:12:26,510 --> 01:12:24,600
was funny but but he he was extremely

1776
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:26,520
knowledgeable about the subject and he

1777
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:28,260
used to put on some really good or you

1778
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,080
know early conferences yeah he did and

1779
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:34,080
and Carla Turner was something else that

1780
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:36,900
uh you know passed away and I never I

1781
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:40,320
never got a chance uh to interview her

1782
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:44,880
car she she was amazing she um she was

1783
01:12:50,209 --> 01:12:47,219
like that tall right

1784
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:50,219
yeah well she was a good friend and very

1785
01:12:59,090 --> 01:12:56,750
through that research you know to to

1786
01:13:01,790 --> 01:12:59,100
pursue that research and then you know

1787
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:01,800
and very encouraging to do so and and uh

1788
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,500
well I I used to watch all of her

1789
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:07,679
presentations I mean uh mufon and in the

1790
01:13:12,110 --> 01:13:09,060
International Symposium and everything

1791
01:13:15,709 --> 01:13:12,120
and I would watch Carla she was so well

1792
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:15,719
spoken right very very intimidating mind

1793
01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:19,140
on her right she's very very smart but

1794
01:13:24,169 --> 01:13:21,300
when she would walk up to the podium put

1795
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:24,179
her hands on it yeah yeah yeah I'd have

1796
01:13:28,330 --> 01:13:26,460
to lower the mic yeah yeah they did they

1797
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:28,340
did all this over there she was amazing

1798
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,840
and and

1799
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:32,880
um she got

1800
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:36,360
she got sick and it happened really fast

1801
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:38,940
yeah I thought breast cancer very fast

1802
01:13:45,130 --> 01:13:42,420
yeah yeah very fast and uh I think uh

1803
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,140
took us took us yes

1804
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:47,460
you know sometimes I think

1805
01:13:52,130 --> 01:13:49,800
you know any of the abduction

1806
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:52,140
researchers you know I think God what if

1807
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:53,340
they were around now you know I even

1808
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:55,679
think I just recently with a bunch of

1809
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:57,480
people were talking about John Mack and

1810
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,640
and I'm like well it came up I know why

1811
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:02,400
because uh uh event that happened last

1812
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:05,640
weekend in New York and and uh they had

1813
01:14:18,350 --> 01:14:15,649
a few other people mentioned him and it

1814
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:18,360
just made me go gosh I I missed John and

1815
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:21,659
and uh and thank God what you know with

1816
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:23,460
everything going on with the disclosure

1817
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:25,560
stuff and everything I'm like God to

1818
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,239
have John's Voice or even have Bud's

1819
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:29,520
voice but you know but it is his peak in

1820
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:31,380
the community and stuff and I'm like ah

1821
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:34,080
you know and and yeah you know we have

1822
01:14:41,229 --> 01:14:36,900
Yvonne Smith now and we have uh Mary

1823
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:41,239
Rodwell certainly Kathleen Martin yeah

1824
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:44,400
we've certainly got you know and even it

1825
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:47,219
it came up that um I was with people at

1826
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:49,020
dinner tonight at a dinner party just

1827
01:14:52,729 --> 01:14:50,820
before doing this with you and there

1828
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:52,739
were people there that knew Leo sprinkle

1829
01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:54,120
well so that we were talking about will

1830
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:55,980
sprinkle you know and who we just lost

1831
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,920
you know too so it's like oh gosh you

1832
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,920
know we're you follow she's losing so

1833
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,320
much of its luminaries and you know I

1834
01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:06,239
I'm quick to tell the young people I'm

1835
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,940
very involved in UFO Twitter High gang

1836
01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:11,280
you know they're listening I'm sure they

1837
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,900
are and you know

1838
01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:14,159
um

1839
01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:16,199
is that you know we stand on the

1840
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:17,699
shoulder of giants you know the the

1841
01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:20,460
researchers that came before and the the

1842
01:15:24,350 --> 01:15:22,620
great minds that we've lost like you

1843
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:24,360
said like Carla and everyone else we

1844
01:15:28,729 --> 01:15:27,000
just well you know here's some countless

1845
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:28,739
number of great researchers that have

1846
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:30,179
passed the other day I was thinking of

1847
01:15:35,169 --> 01:15:32,040
Jim Mars and how much I missed out well

1848
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:35,179
see it's phenomenal yeah Melinda

1849
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:40,320
1990 91 uh you know Wendell Stevens Bob

1850
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,820
Dean Floyd pie uh Carla Turner amazing

1851
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:46,920
years yes you know

1852
01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:49,260
um and uh you know of course John Mack

1853
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:53,400
and and the the powerful powerful uh

1854
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:56,100
leaders of the community back then

1855
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,960
um you know what you know Linda was

1856
01:16:02,689 --> 01:16:00,000
there of course and and Stan Friedman

1857
01:16:06,729 --> 01:16:02,699
but aside from them

1858
01:16:10,729 --> 01:16:06,739
um uh everybody's gone and

1859
01:16:14,510 --> 01:16:10,739
what is happening now it was a a a

1860
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,520
distant thing in the future you know and

1861
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,560
we're talking about Richard Dolan or

1862
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:18,719
everything else that's going on I

1863
01:16:26,030 --> 01:16:20,460
remember when he

1864
01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:28,430
even hadn't happened yet right so yeah

1865
01:16:34,370 --> 01:16:31,320
yeah sure yeah yeah it was uh it was a

1866
01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:38,149
me on this crazy

1867
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:40,550
political kind conspiracy show thing and

1868
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:43,380
then all of a sudden he had I think it

1869
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:46,560
was John LeRon no uh

1870
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,659
what's that anyways all of a sudden it

1871
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,880
just changed overnight art you know and

1872
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,520
and that was crazy to witness that and

1873
01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:56,159
and how that went oh my God I was I was

1874
01:17:00,530 --> 01:16:57,540
listening I listened to that show

1875
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,540
religiously man in those early days whoa

1876
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:03,120
I mean we all we all did but I mean just

1877
01:17:07,729 --> 01:17:05,400
you know and then you had the X-Files

1878
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:07,739
happen and you know just

1879
01:17:13,330 --> 01:17:10,800
you know it was it was a crazy period

1880
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:13,340
and then the conference those those

1881
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:17,640
1990s conferences you know UFO Congress

1882
01:17:23,209 --> 01:17:20,000
yeah

1883
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,219
and uh but uh you know but if you go

1884
01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:26,159
back and uh you had Bill Cooper Bill

1885
01:17:30,770 --> 01:17:27,780
Moore

1886
01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:30,780
um and and all of that controversy uh

1887
01:17:35,209 --> 01:17:32,940
that was going on you know they they

1888
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,219
this is what's funny you mentioned UFOs

1889
01:17:39,530 --> 01:17:36,960
I was there when that happened you know

1890
01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:39,540
that whole something that happened but

1891
01:17:46,689 --> 01:17:42,120
that's my point yeah they think it's

1892
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:50,209
you guys don't know drama

1893
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:53,360
even don't even bother me

1894
01:17:59,090 --> 01:17:56,580
that's so true though it's so true it's

1895
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,100
so true oh my God no that

1896
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:00,960
you know what's good though and I will

1897
01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:03,300
say this

1898
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,540
the field is alive and well

1899
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,640
obviously

1900
01:18:14,689 --> 01:18:11,280
um the last five years has drawn all

1901
01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:14,699
these new fresh Young Voices into the

1902
01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:16,140
field

1903
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:18,900
um the two guys that produced the

1904
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:20,820
conference last Saturday this amazing

1905
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:23,100
event with amazing speakers that ended

1906
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:26,460
with Chris Mellon speaking and and uh

1907
01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:29,340
and and Jamesy and Dolly and Jay

1908
01:18:34,729 --> 01:18:32,100
Christopher King I mean and and and then

1909
01:18:36,910 --> 01:18:34,739
you're probably familiar with the loose

1910
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:36,920
threads paper that came out

1911
01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:40,620
right Daniel will make up and and

1912
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:42,179
hi guys because I'm sure they're

1913
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:45,420
probably watching but it just you know

1914
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:47,400
and others I mean I could go on and on I

1915
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,620
it's really almost an endless list of

1916
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:52,560
these fresh young really brilliant

1917
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:56,400
voices you know uh Sean race and you

1918
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,659
know I could go on and on there's so

1919
01:19:02,870 --> 01:18:59,580
many I there's so many of these guys

1920
01:19:04,669 --> 01:19:02,880
that I think are smart and on it Ryan

1921
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:04,679
Ryan if you're listening you know I

1922
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:07,860
anyways I I think it speaks well for the

1923
01:19:12,770 --> 01:19:10,920
future of the field now I know they're

1924
01:19:14,510 --> 01:19:12,780
all caught up in this current disclosure

1925
01:19:16,430 --> 01:19:14,520
stuff and they get all

1926
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:16,440
the panties get all twisted in knots

1927
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,320
when there's a slight hiccup but I've

1928
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:21,600
been in this field for 34 years I know

1929
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:23,400
researchers that have been in it longer

1930
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,760
we're talking in easily 75 if not 80 or

1931
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:29,040
Rich history of the field and you go you

1932
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:31,140
know you guys don't don't get frustrated

1933
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:33,659
you know where we've gone in five years

1934
01:19:38,930 --> 01:19:35,940
compared to 75 years I don't know about

1935
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:38,940
you Jimmy I mean I I can't even imagine

1936
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,739
you know that's one of the things that

1937
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:42,360
melon talked about on Saturday night

1938
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:44,340
it's like not being able to even imagine

1939
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:46,380
in his wildest dreams that it would have

1940
01:19:51,290 --> 01:19:48,840
gone as far as it's gone you know that's

1941
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:51,300
where we're at with the ndaa passing

1942
01:19:56,270 --> 01:19:53,400
right now as we speak yeah yeah yeah

1943
01:19:59,870 --> 01:19:56,280
yeah all of that is true and uh you're

1944
01:20:04,030 --> 01:19:59,880
right though King and Ian doley uh uh I

1945
01:20:07,310 --> 01:20:04,040
I commend those two and uh I'm in touch

1946
01:20:09,850 --> 01:20:07,320
there may be a future Fade to Black with

1947
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:09,860
those guys

1948
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:12,719
but here's the thing

1949
01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:17,280
um when uh uh talking about the ndaa or

1950
01:20:24,169 --> 01:20:21,719
Elizondo or uh the Nimitz or whatever

1951
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:24,179
David Traver okay this is all cool stuff

1952
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,000
but we it's all stuff that we have been

1953
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:30,239
through before we we know how to deal

1954
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,440
with this and we we know how uh to to

1955
01:20:43,570 --> 01:20:37,199
handle the ups and the downs we know we

1956
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:46,430
let's talk about the friggin alien

1957
01:20:51,530 --> 01:20:49,260
autopsy video okay oh yeah so when when

1958
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:51,540
that came out people don't you know uh

1959
01:20:56,570 --> 01:20:53,820
UFO Twitter or Twitter Twitter or social

1960
01:21:00,590 --> 01:20:56,580
media or this and that or whoever you

1961
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:00,600
have no idea that was live on TV number

1962
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:04,320
one that was that 75 million people

1963
01:21:07,610 --> 01:21:06,360
watching that all at the same time I was

1964
01:21:09,709 --> 01:21:07,620
one of them

1965
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:09,719
um I ordered the videotape that I spent

1966
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:12,840
eighty dollars on as as did the rest of

1967
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:15,179
everybody else and the people that were

1968
01:21:19,850 --> 01:21:18,480
involved uh with that not just I'm

1969
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:19,860
talking about Hollywood and special

1970
01:21:26,990 --> 01:21:24,080
effects people and and uh uh the the the

1971
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,000
paleontologists and the and everything

1972
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:30,000
that was involved that was and then to

1973
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:31,260
have it

1974
01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:35,520
be a hoax right this huge amount this

1975
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:37,100
huge thing

1976
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:40,860
oh yeah and and we went through that and

1977
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,679
that was just one of many things that

1978
01:21:51,169 --> 01:21:46,560
happened uh throughout that uh period

1979
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:51,179
the 90s uh late 80s and and in the 90s

1980
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:54,960
in the ufology was great mj-12 Majestic

1981
01:22:06,530 --> 01:22:04,370
have patience but you know with what's

1982
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:06,540
happened in this in the senate in

1983
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:09,719
Congress and the ndaa now

1984
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:11,400
um and

1985
01:22:16,729 --> 01:22:14,219
but I think next year is going to be

1986
01:22:19,790 --> 01:22:16,739
really exciting because all these things

1987
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:19,800
this new this new uh Department

1988
01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:22,739
replacing the current task force will go

1989
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,980
into effect and and and and what it says

1990
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:27,540
in the ndaa

1991
01:22:32,570 --> 01:22:30,060
um that uh that they're supposed to

1992
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:32,580
accomplish I mean it's just it's it's

1993
01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:34,440
mind-blowing and if you guys if anyone

1994
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:35,460
listening doesn't know what I'm talking

1995
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:36,900
about you guys look look this stuff up

1996
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:39,480
look this stuff up read it's been making

1997
01:22:43,010 --> 01:22:40,920
the rounds

1998
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:43,020
um the whole NDA has got all this other

1999
01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:44,159
stuff that has nothing to do with the

2000
01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:46,380
field but the 30 some odd pages in there

2001
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,600
that that do I mean it's worth a read

2002
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:51,120
because it'll just make you go oh my God

2003
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:54,540
it you know if if even a smidgen of that

2004
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:56,699
got implemented but it's all laws so

2005
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:57,480
it's all supposed to be being

2006
01:23:01,250 --> 01:22:59,880
implemented and now we're hearing from

2007
01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:01,260
from Chris we just hear it Saturday

2008
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,540
night we are getting a report and he

2009
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:05,280
expects very much for us to have it

2010
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:07,500
before Christmas it's sitting on the the

2011
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:10,800
the desk of the odni the the

2012
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:13,739
um Avril Haynes Sutter name yeah on her

2013
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:16,260
desk and uh is according to him

2014
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:18,420
according to Chris melon and so it's

2015
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:20,040
it's sitting there and it's supposed to

2016
01:23:23,390 --> 01:23:21,540
now go to the different committees I

2017
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:23,400
have some notes about it from listening

2018
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:25,020
to Chris but it's supposed to go to the

2019
01:23:32,209 --> 01:23:28,440
different committees and and it may have

2020
01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:32,219
done that by now uh he was hoping that

2021
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:34,140
we would have heard something or heard

2022
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,340
something from the people in the

2023
01:23:40,610 --> 01:23:37,199
Committees that at least he's talking to

2024
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:40,620
uh because he was interviewed and at

2025
01:23:44,630 --> 01:23:43,440
this event by Leslie Kane and so you

2026
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:44,640
know he was saying in the interview with

2027
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:47,280
Leslie that he Chris melon was saying I

2028
01:23:52,370 --> 01:23:50,460
expect that I was hoping that that we'd

2029
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:52,380
have some answer or something about this

2030
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:55,080
prior to my even being here but he says

2031
01:23:58,970 --> 01:23:56,940
I know it's on her desk and we're

2032
01:24:01,390 --> 01:23:58,980
supposed to hear something any any

2033
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:01,400
minute and he sounded extremely

2034
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,920
encouraging so so regardless even if it

2035
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,719
got held up till after the holidays

2036
01:24:11,209 --> 01:24:09,120
because it's the holidays you know

2037
01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:11,219
we're getting a report it is happening

2038
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:12,840
it it's

2039
01:24:16,669 --> 01:24:15,179
everything we're hearing through the

2040
01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:16,679
various grapevines and certainly what

2041
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,260
Chris said suggests that it will be

2042
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:21,840
meteor than the lat one last June you

2043
01:24:25,850 --> 01:24:24,060
know which still had some key nuggets

2044
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,860
and I know we were all let down see the

2045
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:27,679
again that we're talking about things

2046
01:24:33,649 --> 01:24:30,780
great I thought it was great yeah I I

2047
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,659
did too because I loved it I see maybe

2048
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:35,760
because also Jimmy you and I have been

2049
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:37,020
through this like you were just saying

2050
01:24:40,850 --> 01:24:38,580
these periods of being let down in the

2051
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:40,860
history of this so to have something

2052
01:24:47,689 --> 01:24:43,199
like that even happen to have hearings

2053
01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:47,699
even happen was huge I mean I think back

2054
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:50,100
to 20 years ago in the field and we we

2055
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:51,960
would have been doing cartwheels in the

2056
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,880
aisles about any of these things

2057
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:56,159
happening and so the the younger people

2058
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,780
in the field that are newer to it I

2059
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,719
think have been spoiled you know uh by

2060
01:25:05,630 --> 01:25:02,880
it by the you know abundance of riches

2061
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:05,640
of so much that has happened and yet in

2062
01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:08,940
in the 75-year history of the field man

2063
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,320
it's it's revolutionary you know and and

2064
01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:15,780
it's not going away you know it's Too

2065
01:25:19,070 --> 01:25:17,159
Faced out of tube completely you know

2066
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:19,080
it's not going away yeah we can have

2067
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:20,640
minor setbacks but that doesn't mean

2068
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:22,679
everything's stopping it's just it's

2069
01:25:25,810 --> 01:25:24,840
just little slow downs but you guys you

2070
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:25,820
know

2071
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:28,320
where we've even gone in five years is

2072
01:25:33,410 --> 01:25:30,320
just hard to even think

2073
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:33,420
the last time that that happened Melinda

2074
01:25:39,890 --> 01:25:37,860
if if we go back to I'm just it's 25

2075
01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:39,900
years ago so I don't remember the exact

2076
01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:43,860
dates but like 97 96 97 when we got the

2077
01:25:49,130 --> 01:25:47,219
Roswell Case Closed uh report and the

2078
01:25:53,209 --> 01:25:49,140
general Accounting Office got involved

2079
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:53,219
and we had uh the congressman out of New

2080
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:56,639
Mexico involved and um and so when all

2081
01:26:03,890 --> 01:26:00,239
of that was kicking off and and and that

2082
01:26:07,870 --> 01:26:03,900
that was the last like official thing

2083
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:07,880
that went down and that was debunking

2084
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:12,719
Roswell right yes and so from then until

2085
01:26:19,129 --> 01:26:16,500
last August 2021 that UFO report that's

2086
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,139
all we've gotten yeah I can't think of

2087
01:26:22,669 --> 01:26:21,120
anything else the the Nimitz videos

2088
01:26:25,010 --> 01:26:22,679
don't count

2089
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,020
um that's not what I'm talking about a a

2090
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:28,080
report an actual drafted government

2091
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:30,719
document and so yeah it was a big deal

2092
01:26:37,490 --> 01:26:34,560
and and a public hearing and and which

2093
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:37,500
you know what as as bad as that was I

2094
01:26:42,850 --> 01:26:40,380
thought it was great too as well so well

2095
01:26:45,709 --> 01:26:42,860
to me that you know the the

2096
01:26:47,810 --> 01:26:45,719
the reading of Wilson Davis and the

2097
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:47,820
public record was worth its the price of

2098
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,440
admission right there man you know I

2099
01:26:54,169 --> 01:26:51,360
thought that that was that was a big

2100
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,179
deal and um yeah you know so so you can

2101
01:26:58,910 --> 01:26:56,639
say oh on one hand there's sure there's

2102
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,920
certain arguments about the June report

2103
01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:00,719
and the hearing being nothing Burger

2104
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:02,760
sure but there's also stuff that did

2105
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:04,679
happen and it's when you look at its

2106
01:27:09,649 --> 01:27:07,800
historic perspective that's where that's

2107
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:09,659
my emphasis here that's the significance

2108
01:27:16,430 --> 01:27:13,980
and and and now with the NDA and the

2109
01:27:19,070 --> 01:27:16,440
next report so I think it's shaping up

2110
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:19,080
that we're stepping into the end of the

2111
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,580
issue or going into being in next year

2112
01:27:25,550 --> 01:27:23,040
being some interesting developments you

2113
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,560
know it it'll it'll make for great

2114
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:27,840
discussion on Twitter and Facebook and

2115
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,719
other places and and in shows like yours

2116
01:27:35,209 --> 01:27:33,120
you know I mean it'll be endless amounts

2117
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:35,219
of stuff to cover and I think it'll be a

2118
01:27:40,129 --> 01:27:37,560
newsworthy period I I was so encouraged

2119
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,139
I already thought that Chris's

2120
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,320
Chris melon's talk on Saturday wasn't

2121
01:27:46,729 --> 01:27:44,400
revolutionary to me it was telling me

2122
01:27:49,729 --> 01:27:46,739
what I already knew like I already

2123
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,739
thought that I was not being pessimistic

2124
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:52,080
I was being optimistic I said

2125
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:55,320
you know I I didn't I saw it as things

2126
01:27:59,930 --> 01:27:57,480
had leveled out for a while but

2127
01:28:01,729 --> 01:27:59,940
certainly weren't going downhill and it

2128
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:01,739
was a shot in the arm for the community

2129
01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:05,400
because he was so upbeat so positive and

2130
01:28:08,990 --> 01:28:07,260
and saying look we're getting a report

2131
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:09,000
in the ndaa and everything it's

2132
01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:10,380
proposing and it's going to change

2133
01:28:13,570 --> 01:28:12,420
things and it's going to expose so much

2134
01:28:15,530 --> 01:28:13,580
stuff we're gonna have all these

2135
01:28:18,169 --> 01:28:15,540
whistleblowers and people coming forward

2136
01:28:20,750 --> 01:28:18,179
and you guys I don't say this lightly I

2137
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:20,760
mean Chris was really very optimistic

2138
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:22,920
and spelling it out the way he is and

2139
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:25,739
and sounded like as someone who was

2140
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:29,040
directly involved in the process that he

2141
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:30,540
was saying that

2142
01:28:34,850 --> 01:28:34,080
like he knew that that was the case and

2143
01:28:36,830 --> 01:28:34,860
um

2144
01:28:40,189 --> 01:28:36,840
you know so it

2145
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:40,199
I you know I I think we should take it

2146
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:42,719
for that I you know may okay could he

2147
01:28:47,149 --> 01:28:45,120
not know or is he wishful thinking maybe

2148
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:47,159
but I don't think I don't think that's

2149
01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:49,860
his I don't think he'd be that way I if

2150
01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:51,900
anything he seems to play it pretty safe

2151
01:28:56,750 --> 01:28:54,300
and in even some other recent interviews

2152
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,760
right before last Saturday there might

2153
01:29:01,129 --> 01:28:58,560
have been dialing it back but then all

2154
01:29:03,050 --> 01:29:01,139
of a sudden he sounded very positive but

2155
01:29:05,390 --> 01:29:03,060
he kind of also he he kind of said it

2156
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:05,400
was the group he was speaking to and

2157
01:29:09,770 --> 01:29:08,159
that he felt free to you know because he

2158
01:29:12,290 --> 01:29:09,780
knew he was amongst people who

2159
01:29:15,050 --> 01:29:12,300
understood and were knowledgeable you

2160
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:15,060
know and I I recommend everybody here

2161
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:17,940
now there's transcripts of this

2162
01:29:25,490 --> 01:29:21,840
um showing up uh online of his talk and

2163
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:25,500
and and you can pay the money right now

2164
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:28,020
to to was was it 30 bucks for the whole

2165
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:30,000
thing to see all the presenters I mean

2166
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,920
you know Whitley strieber all the

2167
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:34,080
presenters were amazing um

2168
01:29:38,510 --> 01:29:36,480
start with What Jeffrey crippled the

2169
01:29:41,570 --> 01:29:38,520
gripel I forget I was saying last name

2170
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:41,580
giving an amazing amazing talk in the

2171
01:29:45,229 --> 01:29:42,480
beginning

2172
01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:45,239
um every single one of them Whitley gave

2173
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:47,880
this impassioned emotional talk

2174
01:29:52,669 --> 01:29:51,360
that as as an abdic T it it touched me

2175
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:52,679
so much first off he's a dear friend

2176
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:54,960
he's a very very dear friend and has

2177
01:29:59,810 --> 01:29:57,120
been for many many years but

2178
01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:59,820
but additionally and and I I immediately

2179
01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:01,500
texted him afterwards as a matter of

2180
01:30:06,110 --> 01:30:03,960
fact but I just it was so moving so

2181
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,120
emotional as an abdicate I felt like he

2182
01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:08,159
what he's gone through over his

2183
01:30:14,090 --> 01:30:11,580
experiences I can relate because I've

2184
01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:14,100
been through that now maybe with not the

2185
01:30:18,110 --> 01:30:15,900
amount of certainly not the amount of

2186
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:18,120
public attention that he's had and yet

2187
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,300
the the profound effect that living with

2188
01:30:25,850 --> 01:30:23,520
his experiences have had on him and on

2189
01:30:28,970 --> 01:30:25,860
his life I recommend everybody listen to

2190
01:30:30,590 --> 01:30:28,980
this if you're if if you're an

2191
01:30:33,410 --> 01:30:30,600
experiencer you'll feel as a

2192
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:33,420
particularly abdic T you'll feel so

2193
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:37,440
Vindicated by what he had to say and and

2194
01:30:41,930 --> 01:30:39,360
if you're trying to understand how's the

2195
01:30:44,330 --> 01:30:41,940
abduction stuff relate you when you hear

2196
01:30:46,850 --> 01:30:44,340
that you'll get it you'll realize the

2197
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,860
importance I mean and and Jimmy I'm glad

2198
01:30:51,290 --> 01:30:48,480
that we did talk about my experiences

2199
01:30:53,450 --> 01:30:51,300
today because granted there's you know a

2200
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:53,460
lot more I have a life of experiences

2201
01:30:57,470 --> 01:30:56,639
um but it's it's

2202
01:31:00,410 --> 01:30:57,480
um

2203
01:31:02,510 --> 01:31:00,420
I think it's important back for like I

2204
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,520
was saying for those same reason those

2205
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:05,040
early abduction researchers were saying

2206
01:31:08,330 --> 01:31:06,300
you've got to talk about this you've got

2207
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,340
to talk about this your your articulate

2208
01:31:12,530 --> 01:31:09,840
you can talk you're you're not afraid

2209
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:12,540
you know and and so many abductees can't

2210
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,040
whether it's their careers or their

2211
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:16,560
families I mean I know abductees that

2212
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:18,120
got involved in this field went public

2213
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:20,520
you don't hear from anymore now and it's

2214
01:31:24,129 --> 01:31:22,860
because it got so rough for them or

2215
01:31:29,570 --> 01:31:24,139
because

2216
01:31:32,209 --> 01:31:29,580
they wanted their careers back that they

2217
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,219
they're I I know very famous abductee

2218
01:31:36,290 --> 01:31:34,560
that was disowned by her children so to

2219
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:36,300
have a relationship with her children

2220
01:31:39,470 --> 01:31:38,159
she had to turn her back on the field

2221
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:39,480
actually I'll go ahead and say because

2222
01:31:43,070 --> 01:31:40,560
most people probably know what I'm

2223
01:31:46,189 --> 01:31:43,080
talking about Leah Haley you know and so

2224
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:46,199
it's like you guys it's so much to go

2225
01:31:49,970 --> 01:31:47,880
through this and that's why that was so

2226
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:49,980
moving what Whitley said it really spoke

2227
01:31:54,830 --> 01:31:52,800
to those of us who've been through it

2228
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:54,840
and and can appreciate what he's been

2229
01:32:00,169 --> 01:31:57,060
through and what he and what he's had to

2230
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,179
give up to be a public person in the

2231
01:32:05,570 --> 01:32:02,880
field as long as he's had yeah so and

2232
01:32:08,930 --> 01:32:05,580
and this is what's I I think is so

2233
01:32:11,450 --> 01:32:08,940
important uh to me and and to the

2234
01:32:15,709 --> 01:32:11,460
experiences and abductees out there is

2235
01:32:19,550 --> 01:32:15,719
that we have had so many documents uh

2236
01:32:21,890 --> 01:32:19,560
that have uh come out so many of them

2237
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:21,900
are hoaxed

2238
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:24,900
um and are not real and and and that

2239
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:27,360
messes with people's minds it builds

2240
01:32:30,350 --> 01:32:28,860
them you know and they're happy and they

2241
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:30,360
want to show it to their family and see

2242
01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:33,239
look and then we have something like the

2243
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:36,600
Wilson Davis document Roll Along and

2244
01:32:42,110 --> 01:32:39,360
then to have a document like that it's a

2245
01:32:46,010 --> 01:32:42,120
memo uh to have a document like that

2246
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:46,020
suddenly have support where we didn't

2247
01:32:51,890 --> 01:32:49,199
have it that didn't happen with mj-12

2248
01:32:53,810 --> 01:32:51,900
didn't happen with Majestic Aquarius

2249
01:32:57,050 --> 01:32:53,820
that turned out to be completely bogus

2250
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:57,060
and the nro and the NSA document these

2251
01:33:01,370 --> 01:32:59,580
the the only official document according

2252
01:33:04,370 --> 01:33:01,380
to Stanton Friedman as far as he knows

2253
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:04,380
was the Twining memo meanwhile we've got

2254
01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:08,159
a stack of stuff that has never been uh

2255
01:33:13,330 --> 01:33:10,920
vetted or confirmed I think there's

2256
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:13,340
Wilson Davis

2257
01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:16,560
you and your participation with this I

2258
01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:19,020
know I'm going on and long-winded but

2259
01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:21,780
this is an important moment in ufology

2260
01:33:27,709 --> 01:33:24,179
for you and for others that have have

2261
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:27,719
had experiences that now we can sit back

2262
01:33:34,850 --> 01:33:31,920
and go this document has got the people

2263
01:33:37,370 --> 01:33:34,860
in it now talking and we've got the

2264
01:33:39,410 --> 01:33:37,380
notes Jack Houck and Oak Shannon's notes

2265
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,420
that also turn around and support this

2266
01:33:47,629 --> 01:33:41,520
document I think it's that important

2267
01:33:51,649 --> 01:33:49,490
yeah that's why you had me on on your

2268
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:51,659
new TV show and I'm so excited that

2269
01:33:57,410 --> 01:33:54,719
that's gonna air soon um uh I've been

2270
01:33:59,450 --> 01:33:57,420
watching all the shows so far for uh

2271
01:34:01,129 --> 01:33:59,460
into the Vortex your new show and it's

2272
01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:01,139
fantastic all the interviews have been

2273
01:34:06,290 --> 01:34:03,780
really great and uh and I look so

2274
01:34:08,930 --> 01:34:06,300
forward to when when mine does air um

2275
01:34:10,129 --> 01:34:08,940
you know I'm sure you guys will clue me

2276
01:34:12,590 --> 01:34:10,139
in when that's going to happen but it's

2277
01:34:14,209 --> 01:34:12,600
you know any day now or any week now

2278
01:34:16,669 --> 01:34:14,219
um but that's

2279
01:34:19,850 --> 01:34:16,679
because we were talking about that and

2280
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:19,860
and the significance that that has and

2281
01:34:24,890 --> 01:34:22,800
how then with Oak Shannon coming out and

2282
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:24,900
then Grant saying okay I don't need to

2283
01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:27,120
sit on this he'd made a promise to Eric

2284
01:34:31,129 --> 01:34:29,940
Davis to sit on the Shannon notes and

2285
01:34:32,990 --> 01:34:31,139
then

2286
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:33,000
based upon when Shannon is dead you can

2287
01:34:37,490 --> 01:34:35,280
put it out well once Shannon went public

2288
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:37,500
Grant Cameron was like oh I can share

2289
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:40,320
this now so he brought it out and then I

2290
01:34:44,450 --> 01:34:42,060
called up Grant and said hey you brought

2291
01:34:46,090 --> 01:34:44,460
out the Shannon notes the Jack notes

2292
01:34:48,970 --> 01:34:46,100
Jack Huck's notes from that original

2293
01:34:51,770 --> 01:34:48,980
working group meeting at BDM Corporation

2294
01:34:53,390 --> 01:34:51,780
backup Shannon's notes you know like

2295
01:34:55,970 --> 01:34:53,400
they're they're together they're just

2296
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,980
additional evidence and Grant said yeah

2297
01:35:00,169 --> 01:34:57,840
absolutely now truth is I had actually

2298
01:35:02,570 --> 01:35:00,179
put mine out and uh researcher online

2299
01:35:04,430 --> 01:35:02,580
Keith fasterfield who's puts out a bunch

2300
01:35:05,689 --> 01:35:04,440
of great documents had released them for

2301
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:05,699
me once before

2302
01:35:11,390 --> 01:35:08,639
um but that was kind of very low-key so

2303
01:35:13,729 --> 01:35:11,400
it was a matter of re-releasing them to

2304
01:35:16,370 --> 01:35:13,739
back up again that Grant was coming

2305
01:35:18,770 --> 01:35:16,380
forth the Shannon notes and I made my

2306
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:18,780
God those Shannon notes have been this

2307
01:35:24,290 --> 01:35:22,560
incredible wealth of information well

2308
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:24,300
how did it make you feel personally

2309
01:35:35,810 --> 01:35:33,410
uh I've been researching the working

2310
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:35,820
group you know I've been the field for

2311
01:35:41,930 --> 01:35:39,600
34 years I've easily

2312
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,940
28 if not three I'm at 30 of those 30 of

2313
01:35:45,890 --> 01:35:43,920
those years I've been researching that

2314
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:45,900
and

2315
01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:53,209
I felt

2316
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,219
like not only did Ira have house notes

2317
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:57,840
and had gotten them from his family

2318
01:36:02,930 --> 01:35:59,280
years ago

2319
01:36:05,330 --> 01:36:02,940
um but it was like it was so much more

2320
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,340
in-depth than that the Shannon notes and

2321
01:36:10,189 --> 01:36:07,440
there was so much information in there

2322
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:10,199
that backed up Wilson Davis the I think

2323
01:36:13,490 --> 01:36:11,760
the biggest one and I hope people

2324
01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:13,500
listening are following this the

2325
01:36:16,970 --> 01:36:15,120
bouncing balls on some of these stories

2326
01:36:17,870 --> 01:36:16,980
you know we're kind of assuming people

2327
01:36:19,970 --> 01:36:17,880
are

2328
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:19,980
um but the reference in the Shannon

2329
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:23,520
notes back in 85 at the BDM meeting

2330
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,440
saying that they were calling themselves

2331
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,320
the AP 10 group and the Wilson Davis

2332
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,480
having this weird code name that

2333
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,400
everyone kind of assumed what they knew

2334
01:36:36,910 --> 01:36:34,560
what they meant but no one knew for sure

2335
01:36:39,530 --> 01:36:36,920
because there were no other references

2336
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:39,540
here Grant who'd been sitting on this

2337
01:36:43,850 --> 01:36:41,520
thing comes out with it had not read it

2338
01:36:45,709 --> 01:36:43,860
so there it is that was in there and

2339
01:36:49,070 --> 01:36:45,719
there's the AP 10 reference right and

2340
01:36:51,470 --> 01:36:49,080
it's like fits like a glove backs up you

2341
01:36:53,090 --> 01:36:51,480
know the reality of some of the multiple

2342
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:53,100
things not idea of Shannon himself

2343
01:36:59,330 --> 01:36:56,940
saying what Admiral Wilson says I said

2344
01:37:01,070 --> 01:36:59,340
in those discussions with him those

2345
01:37:04,669 --> 01:37:01,080
discussions happen and I said those

2346
01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:04,679
things you know but on top of that that

2347
01:37:10,430 --> 01:37:07,080
reference to ap10 and then in the

2348
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:10,440
Shannon notes from 85 is the same name I

2349
01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:12,239
mean and other things I mean there's so

2350
01:37:18,649 --> 01:37:15,239
much but but yeah and then and then it

2351
01:37:21,470 --> 01:37:18,659
became a research source

2352
01:37:24,770 --> 01:37:21,480
such a huge story that a couple

2353
01:37:28,129 --> 01:37:24,780
researchers dived in and decided to go

2354
01:37:31,490 --> 01:37:28,139
deeper and you end up with

2355
01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:31,500
Omega point and hermetic penetrator

2356
01:37:34,490 --> 01:37:32,940
um and so

2357
01:37:35,570 --> 01:37:34,500
Omega Point these now come public Daniel

2358
01:37:38,750 --> 01:37:35,580
but

2359
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:38,760
um that they wrote this incredible about

2360
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:40,080
250

2361
01:37:45,649 --> 01:37:42,780
page document called loose threads

2362
01:37:49,070 --> 01:37:45,659
diving deep into the history of the

2363
01:37:51,290 --> 01:37:49,080
working group and into all these you

2364
01:37:53,090 --> 01:37:51,300
know minor points and I recommend

2365
01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:53,100
everyone everyone is a serious

2366
01:37:57,649 --> 01:37:55,139
researcher in the field needs to read

2367
01:38:00,350 --> 01:37:57,659
loose threads it's it's a mess I mean

2368
01:38:02,330 --> 01:38:00,360
you know you know you know who feels as

2369
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,340
strongly as I do about it Jimmy is

2370
01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:04,560
Richard you know you've had him on

2371
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:08,280
talking about it yeah yeah yeah yeah and

2372
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:11,760
um the I think that the biggest Point uh

2373
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:14,639
the biggest takeaway for me uh with all

2374
01:38:22,490 --> 01:38:19,620
of that is I look at things with squinty

2375
01:38:26,510 --> 01:38:22,500
eyes Melinda I'm just like you know I I

2376
01:38:28,209 --> 01:38:26,520
trust nothing uh I've been through this

2377
01:38:33,770 --> 01:38:28,219
um I I remember

2378
01:38:36,850 --> 01:38:33,780
uh reading all of the open Minds website

2379
01:38:40,729 --> 01:38:36,860
from 1995 that came out of Las Vegas

2380
01:38:44,270 --> 01:38:40,739
that was the most insane website about

2381
01:38:46,129 --> 01:38:44,280
ufology ever and going through and and

2382
01:38:49,550 --> 01:38:46,139
connecting the dots and unconnecting

2383
01:38:51,649 --> 01:38:49,560
dots so many times in my life that even

2384
01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:51,659
with the Wilson Davis document when it

2385
01:38:55,490 --> 01:38:53,820
came out I

2386
01:38:59,709 --> 01:38:55,500
thought that it was too good to be true

2387
01:39:03,470 --> 01:38:59,719
I did I I thought it's it's too perfect

2388
01:39:08,930 --> 01:39:03,480
to have that for me to go emotionally

2389
01:39:12,050 --> 01:39:08,940
from that mindset to I mean uh Joy I

2390
01:39:14,090 --> 01:39:12,060
mean real Joy I am happy I am happy for

2391
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,100
the community I'm happy for those people

2392
01:39:20,930 --> 01:39:17,520
that have been ridiculed and and made

2393
01:39:23,209 --> 01:39:20,940
fun of by families and employers and and

2394
01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:23,219
friends and and everything else or this

2395
01:39:27,709 --> 01:39:26,100
document is going to change things I

2396
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:27,719
think it's that big of a deal and when

2397
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:30,420
when Richard said you know document of

2398
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:32,639
the century you know what I don't think

2399
01:39:38,209 --> 01:39:35,520
he's wrong now yeah and he took a lot of

2400
01:39:41,810 --> 01:39:38,219
heat for for going out front and getting

2401
01:39:43,970 --> 01:39:41,820
ahead of his skis like he did but he

2402
01:39:45,649 --> 01:39:43,980
knew he knew things that none of us did

2403
01:39:48,110 --> 01:39:45,659
at the time

2404
01:39:50,030 --> 01:39:48,120
um but yeah and he knew

2405
01:39:54,110 --> 01:39:50,040
he knew it was important for the same

2406
01:39:56,030 --> 01:39:54,120
reason I did well actually

2407
01:39:57,950 --> 01:39:56,040
he knew because he had been told

2408
01:39:59,930 --> 01:39:57,960
something about it years ago a brief bit

2409
01:40:01,490 --> 01:39:59,940
anyways it had seen it and then so it

2410
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:01,500
came out he recognized for what it was

2411
01:40:05,810 --> 01:40:04,560
and that and he knew the source that he

2412
01:40:08,030 --> 01:40:05,820
got it from

2413
01:40:10,370 --> 01:40:08,040
gave it tremendous credibility long

2414
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,380
story short there but I knew for the

2415
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:12,000
same reason I should say Grant Cameron

2416
01:40:16,189 --> 01:40:13,920
did when we first thought it was seeing

2417
01:40:17,629 --> 01:40:16,199
the oak Shannon name knowing that that

2418
01:40:19,010 --> 01:40:17,639
meant that was working group because

2419
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:19,020
that was one of the original working

2420
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:22,800
group members and and and so not only

2421
01:40:28,850 --> 01:40:25,920
did we know that that's therefore this

2422
01:40:31,550 --> 01:40:28,860
was nids it was working group we knew

2423
01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:31,560
that it had it was in with nid's

2424
01:40:36,350 --> 01:40:34,380
documents in the possession of Dr Edgar

2425
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:36,360
Mitchell you know so we knew that

2426
01:40:40,189 --> 01:40:37,500
history

2427
01:40:41,930 --> 01:40:40,199
um and and I knew the gentleman who

2428
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:41,940
originally got them so I knew the full

2429
01:40:45,950 --> 01:40:44,159
background of how they came up and how

2430
01:40:48,350 --> 01:40:45,960
they were received and how it you know

2431
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,360
changed hands but so all that together

2432
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:51,600
and as Richard learned that is why some

2433
01:40:55,729 --> 01:40:53,100
of us were so certain from the beginning

2434
01:40:57,709 --> 01:40:55,739
that this was legitimate because it all

2435
01:41:00,169 --> 01:40:57,719
made sense it was a perfect chain of

2436
01:41:02,030 --> 01:41:00,179
custody and we know how it came out and

2437
01:41:06,290 --> 01:41:02,040
we knew what some of the things in there

2438
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:06,300
and and now with the Shannon notes that

2439
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,199
like

2440
01:41:12,530 --> 01:41:10,080
icing on the cake that puts it to bed I

2441
01:41:15,709 --> 01:41:12,540
mean it's like to have the ap10

2442
01:41:19,129 --> 01:41:15,719
reference in there and other things in

2443
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:19,139
there mentioned that these that these

2444
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:21,480
meeting notes from 85

2445
01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:23,520
from the advanced theoretical physics

2446
01:41:28,729 --> 01:41:25,980
working group meeting at BDM

2447
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:28,739
ends up being referenced in there to the

2448
01:41:34,129 --> 01:41:32,159
you know in in and so directly and and

2449
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,139
thus backing up you know that Shannon

2450
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:37,440
and that link and so it it it's like

2451
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:40,260
it's so complicated and so layered and

2452
01:41:46,370 --> 01:41:43,199
going back to 1985 to the current to

2453
01:41:48,530 --> 01:41:46,380
this to the to that meeting with Erica

2454
01:41:51,649 --> 01:41:48,540
Davis and Admiral Wilson in a car and

2455
01:41:55,129 --> 01:41:51,659
what was the year of that 2000 what do

2456
01:41:58,370 --> 01:41:55,139
you remember 2001 2007. yeah and and and

2457
01:42:00,410 --> 01:41:58,380
and for me you know and so there's this

2458
01:42:03,169 --> 01:42:00,420
seamless the seamless connection Through

2459
01:42:06,590 --> 01:42:03,179
The Years here yeah for me I keep going

2460
01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:06,600
back to I think it's page 13. and the

2461
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:09,780
conversation uh between Admiral Wilson

2462
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,300
and the three dudes from Lockheed you

2463
01:42:17,209 --> 01:42:14,400
know the project manager the lawyer and

2464
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:17,219
the head of security and when they go

2465
01:42:21,290 --> 01:42:19,679
okay you know what it's aliens dude it's

2466
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:21,300
aliens all right all right it's aliens

2467
01:42:31,250 --> 01:42:25,920
and we have a ship and we think it can

2468
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:31,260
fly and and and you you read how that

2469
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:34,800
conversation went down and that

2470
01:42:39,290 --> 01:42:37,679
um Admiral Wilson said that the three of

2471
01:42:42,169 --> 01:42:39,300
the it got heated and they're fighting

2472
01:42:44,689 --> 01:42:42,179
back and forth and then they go dude

2473
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,699
you can cry about this all you want we

2474
01:42:49,790 --> 01:42:47,040
don't we don't give a [\h__\h] and you can

2475
01:42:51,169 --> 01:42:49,800
yell you can scream we don't care as a

2476
01:42:53,570 --> 01:42:51,179
matter of fact

2477
01:42:56,750 --> 01:42:53,580
fly back to Washington and start crying

2478
01:43:00,290 --> 01:42:56,760
it doesn't matter to us we're way above

2479
01:43:01,250 --> 01:43:00,300
your pay grade and and to see that kind

2480
01:43:05,689 --> 01:43:01,260
of

2481
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:05,699
um tone where if you're in that black

2482
01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:08,340
world that sap world the alien

2483
01:43:13,550 --> 01:43:10,500
technology World backwards engineering

2484
01:43:16,729 --> 01:43:13,560
world you you you don't care about the

2485
01:43:19,310 --> 01:43:16,739
president you don't care about J2 you

2486
01:43:22,609 --> 01:43:19,320
don't care about the Joint Chiefs you're

2487
01:43:24,050 --> 01:43:22,619
in a whole nother level of of secrecy it

2488
01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:24,060
was like yeah and it was like they were

2489
01:43:28,729 --> 01:43:26,460
willing to bite the ham that fed them

2490
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:28,739
because he said no look whether you guys

2491
01:43:36,050 --> 01:43:32,480
get funding is under my you know

2492
01:43:38,990 --> 01:43:36,060
like you know it's like it's like your

2493
01:43:41,570 --> 01:43:39,000
your programs don't get government and

2494
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,580
don't get military funding you know your

2495
01:43:46,370 --> 01:43:44,400
Black Ops unless it goes through my

2496
01:43:47,810 --> 01:43:46,380
department you know and yet they said no

2497
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:47,820
you don't have a need to know you know

2498
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:50,639
and so of course he's upset and then he

2499
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:54,239
goes back to to the his sap guys that

2500
01:43:58,729 --> 01:43:55,679
originally made you know the connection

2501
01:44:00,649 --> 01:43:58,739
for him and and apparently he set up

2502
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:00,659
because he because he was threatened

2503
01:44:06,290 --> 01:44:03,440
with you won't move up in rank you won't

2504
01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:06,300
achieve the head of

2505
01:44:10,609 --> 01:44:08,820
um um Joint Chiefs of Staff you know and

2506
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:10,619
so it's like

2507
01:44:18,430 --> 01:44:13,679
he he sat on it for a couple years but

2508
01:44:25,209 --> 01:44:21,649
he went back to Washington DC Melinda

2509
01:44:29,810 --> 01:44:25,219
and and started raising and they said

2510
01:44:33,050 --> 01:44:29,820
uh it now now you need to no no whatever

2511
01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:33,060
and he was shocked and he had said and

2512
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,460
this is the this is why it goes back to

2513
01:44:39,229 --> 01:44:37,920
the old Shannon notes though yeah he had

2514
01:44:43,310 --> 01:44:39,239
said that

2515
01:44:46,669 --> 01:44:43,320
um uh he finally realized that there was

2516
01:44:49,070 --> 01:44:46,679
a level of secrecy above where he

2517
01:44:51,229 --> 01:44:49,080
thought he was which was at the pippy

2518
01:44:52,910 --> 01:44:51,239
top and there was a level of secrecy

2519
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:52,920
above that and if you go back to the Oak

2520
01:44:57,410 --> 01:44:55,440
Shannon notes and Jack Houck and and

2521
01:45:01,490 --> 01:44:57,420
those notes where they said nah

2522
01:45:04,970 --> 01:45:01,500
president nah no doesn't no not on the

2523
01:45:07,970 --> 01:45:04,980
list and and what did Admiral Wilson say

2524
01:45:09,950 --> 01:45:07,980
about the bigot list no politicians yeah

2525
01:45:13,010 --> 01:45:09,960
no politicians out there no military

2526
01:45:15,770 --> 01:45:13,020
people yeah on there you know and and

2527
01:45:18,770 --> 01:45:15,780
that that and the two of them

2528
01:45:20,990 --> 01:45:18,780
Oak Shannon's notes Jack houck's notes

2529
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:21,000
and Admiral Wilson's conversation with

2530
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:23,840
Eric Davis all support

2531
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,119
this mindset of secrecy see and it's

2532
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:29,760
that's what makes and I and you you and

2533
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,440
I and Richard apparently were in

2534
01:45:35,570 --> 01:45:33,360
agreement here this document is

2535
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:35,580
important for these reasons it it speaks

2536
01:45:38,810 --> 01:45:37,199
to yes there's a reverse engineering

2537
01:45:42,169 --> 01:45:38,820
program there's technology in the hands

2538
01:45:44,209 --> 01:45:42,179
of private companies and and and that

2539
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:44,219
was retrieved from Crash retrieval so

2540
01:45:49,729 --> 01:45:46,440
you know it's all this together that

2541
01:45:55,129 --> 01:45:49,739
there's working groups you know managing

2542
01:45:56,450 --> 01:45:55,139
this and and then it also gets into

2543
01:45:58,669 --> 01:45:56,460
yeah

2544
01:46:02,750 --> 01:45:58,679
like you were just saying how deep the

2545
01:46:04,430 --> 01:46:02,760
secrecy goes how it works so this what

2546
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,440
we call it document is really just the

2547
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,239
notes from the meeting it's Eric Davis's

2548
01:46:11,689 --> 01:46:08,400
notes from talking to the Admiral when

2549
01:46:15,050 --> 01:46:11,699
he finally decided to connect up with

2550
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:15,060
these guys after sitting on it uh and

2551
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,800
then and then you know coming forward

2552
01:46:22,010 --> 01:46:19,280
and and and and

2553
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,020
reporting back to

2554
01:46:26,510 --> 01:46:24,480
the folks from nids and obviously them

2555
01:46:28,970 --> 01:46:26,520
putting him together with Eric because

2556
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:28,980
of Shannon's recommendation so he meets

2557
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:30,840
with Eric but

2558
01:46:36,109 --> 01:46:34,080
but the whole point is it is it speaks

2559
01:46:38,270 --> 01:46:36,119
like like we're just saying it tells

2560
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:38,280
what the cover up is about it's about

2561
01:46:41,330 --> 01:46:39,840
the technology the development the

2562
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:41,340
reverse engineering it's about these

2563
01:46:46,669 --> 01:46:44,159
programs it's about the money and the in

2564
01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:46,679
total embarrassment here because the

2565
01:46:50,990 --> 01:46:49,380
government lost if this is true it means

2566
01:46:52,850 --> 01:46:51,000
the government lost control of this

2567
01:46:55,250 --> 01:46:52,860
subject because it went into corporate

2568
01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:55,260
hands and what we're finding now with

2569
01:46:59,450 --> 01:46:56,940
the ndaa and what's going to happen

2570
01:47:01,310 --> 01:46:59,460
moving forward Bingo but we're going to

2571
01:47:02,810 --> 01:47:01,320
haven't happened moving forward is it's

2572
01:47:05,629 --> 01:47:02,820
the Senate and Congress are going to

2573
01:47:08,030 --> 01:47:05,639
start figuring this out that that the

2574
01:47:10,129 --> 01:47:08,040
government lost control and the dods egg

2575
01:47:13,490 --> 01:47:10,139
on their face because they let it happen

2576
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:13,500
through the saps they fed this stuff to

2577
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:15,360
corporate entities and they lost control

2578
01:47:20,209 --> 01:47:18,239
of it and they have egg on the face and

2579
01:47:21,890 --> 01:47:20,219
of course complicit in that from day one

2580
01:47:24,169 --> 01:47:21,900
because they've really always known the

2581
01:47:27,530 --> 01:47:24,179
truth you have a combination of the Air

2582
01:47:29,330 --> 01:47:27,540
Force and NASA you know and so yeah

2583
01:47:32,030 --> 01:47:29,340
therefore installing on this because

2584
01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:32,040
they're going to have to answer to the

2585
01:47:35,689 --> 01:47:33,239
fact that

2586
01:47:36,770 --> 01:47:35,699
that they screwed this up the Air Force

2587
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:36,780
is going to have to answer to that

2588
01:47:41,209 --> 01:47:38,880
they're going to have to realize you

2589
01:47:43,790 --> 01:47:41,219
know that they've known all along and

2590
01:47:46,729 --> 01:47:43,800
and that this they the government lost

2591
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:46,739
control of this and I hope that the

2592
01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:48,360
senate in Congress I said I think I said

2593
01:47:52,910 --> 01:47:50,760
this when we taped the show I think I

2594
01:47:54,350 --> 01:47:52,920
said this with you I hope they have I'll

2595
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:54,360
say here the balls I don't know if I

2596
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:56,639
said that then but the balls to con to

2597
01:48:00,770 --> 01:47:59,040
pursue this and take it as far as it

2598
01:48:02,930 --> 01:48:00,780
needs to go to realize this has gone

2599
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,940
into corporate hands and someone's got

2600
01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:04,800
to answer to that

2601
01:48:09,649 --> 01:48:07,980
because you know this this knowledge

2602
01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:09,659
everyone out there knows this you know

2603
01:48:13,970 --> 01:48:11,340
this knowledge an extraterrestrial

2604
01:48:16,490 --> 01:48:13,980
presence the technology and how it could

2605
01:48:20,450 --> 01:48:16,500
benefit mankind is something for all of

2606
01:48:22,910 --> 01:48:20,460
us okay it's not it it should not be a

2607
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,920
corporate secret it should not be a DOD

2608
01:48:26,570 --> 01:48:24,480
secret and it shouldn't be a government

2609
01:48:28,910 --> 01:48:26,580
secret it's for all of us we all can

2610
01:48:31,550 --> 01:48:28,920
benefit from the knowledge

2611
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:31,560
um and the development and and

2612
01:48:36,890 --> 01:48:34,800
do things that help our society be

2613
01:48:39,890 --> 01:48:36,900
better certainly the environment you

2614
01:48:42,189 --> 01:48:39,900
know free energy all that stuff combined

2615
01:48:45,050 --> 01:48:42,199
with the knowledge that we are not alone

2616
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,060
and in that knowledge we're not alone is

2617
01:48:50,330 --> 01:48:48,000
how these et's function which is a

2618
01:48:52,010 --> 01:48:50,340
matter and their craft function as a

2619
01:48:55,490 --> 01:48:52,020
matter of consciousness

2620
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:55,500
well but here's the here's the problem

2621
01:49:03,109 --> 01:48:59,119
Congress and the Capitol Hill in general

2622
01:49:06,850 --> 01:49:03,119
they don't know what questions to ask

2623
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:06,860
because they don't know what is going on

2624
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,040
and once that money leaves Congress and

2625
01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:14,159
goes out into these saps that's the

2626
01:49:18,290 --> 01:49:16,560
light that they don't know they don't

2627
01:49:20,570 --> 01:49:18,300
know about a backwards engineering

2628
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:20,580
program they don't know what's going on

2629
01:49:27,010 --> 01:49:23,520
out of it like they they because of that

2630
01:49:29,570 --> 01:49:27,020
and will they ever find out no that well

2631
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:29,580
with this whistleblower protection stuff

2632
01:49:36,530 --> 01:49:33,840
Jimmy yeah but but that that's a that's

2633
01:49:37,970 --> 01:49:36,540
another that's pilots and and things and

2634
01:49:41,870 --> 01:49:37,980
stuff no maybe more than that they're

2635
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:44,030
first engineering there is nobody from

2636
01:49:49,250 --> 01:49:46,800
the bigot list that is going to be uh

2637
01:49:51,770 --> 01:49:49,260
willing to come out and speak about this

2638
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:51,780
with was they have nothing to gain that

2639
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:53,760
that doesn't change the backwards

2640
01:49:57,950 --> 01:49:56,159
engineering but I don't see any of them

2641
01:49:59,450 --> 01:49:57,960
coming you could go with guys involved

2642
01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:59,460
in Crash retrievals where did those

2643
01:50:03,290 --> 01:50:01,679
crashes go and then they have to dig but

2644
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:03,300
that's different that's different but

2645
01:50:06,350 --> 01:50:04,800
that's where you dig where did the

2646
01:50:08,330 --> 01:50:06,360
crashes go when they're retrieved and

2647
01:50:09,950 --> 01:50:08,340
then they it it's we're talking it's

2648
01:50:11,870 --> 01:50:09,960
going to be a huge investigation and

2649
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:11,880
that's why I said I hope Senate in the

2650
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,820
Congress has has the conus to go where

2651
01:50:18,830 --> 01:50:16,560
it needs to go to ask the next step

2652
01:50:20,990 --> 01:50:18,840
question to if they start to get with

2653
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,000
and they have a apparently enclosed door

2654
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:23,520
sessions about crash retrievals and the

2655
01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:26,880
and and and if they and if they if they

2656
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:29,580
have you know Eric Davis and Admiral

2657
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:31,920
Wilson testify you know even if it's

2658
01:50:37,729 --> 01:50:35,520
closed door if if they pursue this they

2659
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:37,739
can find out the right questions to look

2660
01:50:42,350 --> 01:50:40,560
where they need to and dig deeper and

2661
01:50:43,790 --> 01:50:42,360
uncover this that's one thing you know

2662
01:50:46,970 --> 01:50:43,800
it's one thing Chris melon said on

2663
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,980
Saturday he said built into this

2664
01:50:50,570 --> 01:50:48,239
is

2665
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:50,580
um I forget the wording but he said

2666
01:50:55,970 --> 01:50:53,040
built into this is the wherewithal and

2667
01:50:57,530 --> 01:50:55,980
the way for them to learn what the Air

2668
01:50:59,570 --> 01:50:57,540
Force really knows and what they've sat

2669
01:51:03,050 --> 01:50:59,580
on like they've purposely built that

2670
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:03,060
into the ndaa that will if if they

2671
01:51:08,570 --> 01:51:06,360
pursue that it it prized that open and

2672
01:51:12,530 --> 01:51:08,580
he actually said that yeah yeah and and

2673
01:51:14,750 --> 01:51:12,540
and and and I agree and those uh that

2674
01:51:17,689 --> 01:51:14,760
type of whistleblower testimony if that

2675
01:51:19,609 --> 01:51:17,699
happens awesome but I'm going on the

2676
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:19,619
record here I'm going to say two things

2677
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:23,040
one Christopher Mellon doesn't know dick

2678
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,159
number one about the alien he's pursuing

2679
01:51:31,370 --> 01:51:28,800
it but does he know no he doesn't you

2680
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:31,380
know why I can say that because we know

2681
01:51:38,810 --> 01:51:36,719
his name yes anybody that knows the real

2682
01:51:43,310 --> 01:51:38,820
set that has gone and touched an alien

2683
01:51:46,209 --> 01:51:43,320
backwards engineering uh and any anybody

2684
01:51:49,129 --> 01:51:46,219
that anybody that has seen an alien body

2685
01:51:52,729 --> 01:51:49,139
will never we will never know their name

2686
01:51:55,970 --> 01:51:52,739
number one name no no no no we won't I'm

2687
01:51:58,669 --> 01:51:55,980
telling you and they will never go very

2688
01:52:01,149 --> 01:51:58,679
happy people you know you go to like the

2689
01:52:03,950 --> 01:52:01,159
late the late

2690
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:03,960
on his testimony and others they're not

2691
01:52:07,850 --> 01:52:06,000
all you know we've had a few people

2692
01:52:10,370 --> 01:52:07,860
already out there talking no no no no no

2693
01:52:12,850 --> 01:52:10,380
no no no no no that is not what I'm

2694
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:12,860
talking about I'm talking about

2695
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:17,280
employees of Lockheed or sap that have

2696
01:52:22,910 --> 01:52:20,639
been around the alien no no that no no

2697
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,920
we'll never know okay well the point I

2698
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:25,199
was just making though is if guys like a

2699
01:52:29,149 --> 01:52:26,639
Clifford Stone and others have actually

2700
01:52:32,090 --> 01:52:29,159
passed away but uh in the reverse

2701
01:52:34,010 --> 01:52:32,100
engineering program or even a David

2702
01:52:36,050 --> 01:52:34,020
Adair called in or whatever who you know

2703
01:52:38,270 --> 01:52:36,060
I'm just throwing out examples if you

2704
01:52:41,810 --> 01:52:38,280
get folks like this willing to come

2705
01:52:44,090 --> 01:52:41,820
forward given some support to do so

2706
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:44,100
where they feel safer and there's legal

2707
01:52:49,490 --> 01:52:47,280
wherewithal and steps they can do to to

2708
01:52:51,470 --> 01:52:49,500
come forward hopefully this will help

2709
01:52:52,850 --> 01:52:51,480
prize some of them but but it'll cause

2710
01:52:55,250 --> 01:52:52,860
the Senate and the Congress and those

2711
01:52:57,649 --> 01:52:55,260
involved to know where to look to look

2712
01:53:00,649 --> 01:52:57,659
deeper and ask this is this is my

2713
01:53:03,169 --> 01:53:00,659
opinion okay and and I know I'm right

2714
01:53:06,050 --> 01:53:03,179
but this is my opinion Melinda that

2715
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:06,060
Crystal blower protection is going to be

2716
01:53:11,209 --> 01:53:09,119
there for Pilots for members of the

2717
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:11,219
military that have witnessed stuff that

2718
01:53:17,870 --> 01:53:14,580
have maybe written up reports and and

2719
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:17,880
that section of things that whistle blow

2720
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:22,320
her uh wording in the ndaa is not going

2721
01:53:28,729 --> 01:53:26,000
to cover the CEO of Lockheed

2722
01:53:31,370 --> 01:53:28,739
but it covers witnesses to things like

2723
01:53:33,709 --> 01:53:31,380
crash or dreams

2724
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:33,719
eyes come forward which causes them to

2725
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:36,239
then ask the next questions and take it

2726
01:53:40,970 --> 01:53:37,980
to the next level we're talking this

2727
01:53:42,530 --> 01:53:40,980
would be layers and layers of of closed

2728
01:53:44,689 --> 01:53:42,540
doors you understand what I'm saying

2729
01:53:46,729 --> 01:53:44,699
though Melinda I do but but I'm saying

2730
01:53:50,450 --> 01:53:46,739
it's going to start somewhere and if

2731
01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:50,460
that's why I'm saying if they have

2732
01:53:55,970 --> 01:53:53,340
if they have the strength to go deeper

2733
01:53:58,970 --> 01:53:55,980
and ask those next questions and take it

2734
01:54:01,550 --> 01:53:58,980
where it needs to go you know yeah okay

2735
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:01,560
then they can get some individuals to

2736
01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:04,080
come forward I mean if they have

2737
01:54:08,270 --> 01:54:06,360
uh you know Eric Davis and Admiral

2738
01:54:11,149 --> 01:54:08,280
Wilson saying yeah we met and we had

2739
01:54:13,850 --> 01:54:11,159
that discussion you know well then then

2740
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:13,860
then they'd be forced to go what's with

2741
01:54:19,070 --> 01:54:16,800
these sap guys sending you there okay

2742
01:54:21,229 --> 01:54:19,080
where did they send you you know who did

2743
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:21,239
you talk to and who did then they can go

2744
01:54:28,810 --> 01:54:22,800
back to the guys running the sap

2745
01:54:34,370 --> 01:54:31,010
it'll never happen it'll never happen

2746
01:54:37,729 --> 01:54:34,380
the guy the guy the guy with the

2747
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,739
clipboard right he's got a a ET sitting

2748
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:39,119
in front of them okay so what do you

2749
01:54:43,310 --> 01:54:41,340
want for lunch today okay let's get that

2750
01:54:46,450 --> 01:54:43,320
going and and how are you feeling today

2751
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:46,460
that guy taking the notes talking to E.T

2752
01:54:52,910 --> 01:54:50,159
you will never know his name ever ever

2753
01:54:57,709 --> 01:54:52,920
ever ever ever ever he's not testifying

2754
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,719
under any clemency immunity I have had

2755
01:55:07,570 --> 01:54:59,360
guys like that come forward

2756
01:55:14,689 --> 01:55:11,030
and we will never know their names and

2757
01:55:18,169 --> 01:55:14,699
and maybe some things like that Melinda

2758
01:55:21,590 --> 01:55:18,179
maybe they just need to be now the the

2759
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:21,600
knowledge of E.T coming here and uh and

2760
01:55:28,550 --> 01:55:24,719
making contact and and and that yeah

2761
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:28,560
that that's fine but what we have

2762
01:55:34,370 --> 01:55:32,400
now so something's uh

2763
01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:34,380
um and I'm not saying we should do it

2764
01:55:40,129 --> 01:55:36,600
I'm saying that's the way it's going to

2765
01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:40,139
be handled I'm not I'm not uh for that

2766
01:55:44,649 --> 01:55:42,900
I'm just saying it'll never happen ever

2767
01:55:47,930 --> 01:55:44,659
ever

2768
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:47,940
I may disagree with you in in at least

2769
01:55:52,010 --> 01:55:49,679
this way when again we're talking about

2770
01:55:53,810 --> 01:55:52,020
Wilson Davis you go back to that and and

2771
01:55:55,550 --> 01:55:53,820
and if

2772
01:55:56,810 --> 01:55:55,560
they have Eric say the meeting happened

2773
01:55:58,729 --> 01:55:56,820
then they have to go to Wilson Wilson

2774
01:56:00,530 --> 01:55:58,739
won't make Eric out to be a liar I don't

2775
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:00,540
think I think in a closed door session

2776
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,360
he'd go yeah he because especially with

2777
01:56:08,810 --> 01:56:06,000
the right Protections in place if that

2778
01:56:11,570 --> 01:56:08,820
should happen then hang on hang on then

2779
01:56:13,070 --> 01:56:11,580
that's forces the senate in Congress to

2780
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:13,080
have to

2781
01:56:19,310 --> 01:56:17,219
go to the sap guys because if if they're

2782
01:56:21,950 --> 01:56:19,320
saying that that happened that's that

2783
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,960
this has the potential so maybe that's

2784
01:56:25,970 --> 01:56:24,000
the biggest thing about that about those

2785
01:56:28,609 --> 01:56:25,980
notes is they have the potential to

2786
01:56:31,129 --> 01:56:28,619
start an investigation inquiry if they

2787
01:56:33,169 --> 01:56:31,139
go to the sap guys and say

2788
01:56:35,629 --> 01:56:33,179
how did you approve this what's going on

2789
01:56:37,850 --> 01:56:35,639
here because it it because there are

2790
01:56:39,470 --> 01:56:37,860
committees that that falls under them

2791
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:39,480
and they do have to answer them or at

2792
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:41,280
least they're supposed to so if if they

2793
01:56:44,090 --> 01:56:42,239
push it

2794
01:56:45,229 --> 01:56:44,100
it has potential now I'm not saying it's

2795
01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:45,239
going to happen overnight we're talking

2796
01:56:50,270 --> 01:56:47,820
this you guys it took 75 years to build

2797
01:56:52,370 --> 01:56:50,280
this country from 75 years doesn't do it

2798
01:56:54,169 --> 01:56:52,380
I don't think it will but I don't expect

2799
01:56:56,090 --> 01:56:54,179
it to happen overnight could it take

2800
01:56:59,510 --> 01:56:56,100
five years ten years you know whatever

2801
01:57:01,609 --> 01:56:59,520
but it's it's got to start somewhere and

2802
01:57:05,870 --> 01:57:01,619
it's got to start with our elected

2803
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:05,880
officials answering to us to say this

2804
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:08,400
technology is for the benefit of mankind

2805
01:57:13,970 --> 01:57:11,520
not a select few the knowledge about an

2806
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:13,980
ET presence is the benefit of mankind

2807
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,239
not a select two a select few and you

2808
01:57:23,390 --> 01:57:21,119
know and what that interaction means and

2809
01:57:26,510 --> 01:57:23,400
how it's going to help us develop it as

2810
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:26,520
a human race and develop in

2811
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:29,760
those Consciousness abilities those the

2812
01:57:34,129 --> 01:57:31,800
way we are supposed to be functioning

2813
01:57:36,169 --> 01:57:34,139
that we're living in this giant life

2814
01:57:40,010 --> 01:57:36,179
we're not reaching the full human

2815
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:40,020
potential that we could have

2816
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:42,719
um but it's got to start somewhere and

2817
01:57:48,350 --> 01:57:45,119
it starts with discovering these

2818
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,360
programs and how we've been lied to and

2819
01:57:55,609 --> 01:57:51,360
starting to gank on that ball of string

2820
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,619
to to unwind it you know and and and

2821
01:58:00,830 --> 01:57:58,080
they're at least they're looking I mean

2822
01:58:03,050 --> 01:58:00,840
it's the first time in the 34 years I've

2823
01:58:05,209 --> 01:58:03,060
been in this and it's pretty much

2824
01:58:06,589 --> 01:58:05,219
with a small exception of Project Blue

2825
01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:06,599
Book and some other things that's really

2826
01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:08,639
the first time that there's been a major

2827
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:11,880
thing and I hope it keeps moving and and

2828
01:58:16,189 --> 01:58:13,920
I think it will go there because it has

2829
01:58:18,470 --> 01:58:16,199
to I also think it became the secret

2830
01:58:20,570 --> 01:58:18,480
they could no longer keep that that's

2831
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:20,580
why we're getting it I think there's so

2832
01:58:23,930 --> 01:58:22,320
many siding so much knowledge so much

2833
01:58:26,510 --> 01:58:23,940
worldwide knowledge

2834
01:58:29,330 --> 01:58:26,520
so many people coming forward

2835
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:29,340
and also maybe there's a need based upon

2836
01:58:33,890 --> 01:58:31,440
the fact the ETS are showing up so much

2837
01:58:35,930 --> 01:58:33,900
more you know that the need to bring

2838
01:58:38,510 --> 01:58:35,940
people up to speed so I think there's a

2839
01:58:40,970 --> 01:58:38,520
lot of things working together here that

2840
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:40,980
it that has pushed it to being the

2841
01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:42,719
secret they can no longer keep or no

2842
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:44,880
longer should keep and that and that

2843
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:46,800
this is going to be a process but I

2844
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:48,000
think we're going to see the process

2845
01:58:54,250 --> 01:58:50,880
speed up that's that's my feeling that's

2846
01:58:58,609 --> 01:58:54,260
my intuition too I I think it's tangible

2847
01:59:01,430 --> 01:58:58,619
uh my my issue is is that we have people

2848
01:59:04,729 --> 01:59:01,440
that are chasing answers right now and

2849
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:04,739
that's great but uh uh Eric Davis

2850
01:59:09,890 --> 01:59:06,960
chasing answers he doesn't know anything

2851
01:59:14,209 --> 01:59:09,900
because we know Eric's name so therefore

2852
01:59:16,930 --> 01:59:14,219
he knows nothing uh Davis uh I mean uh

2853
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:16,940
Wilson he was chasing

2854
01:59:22,669 --> 01:59:19,920
answers he didn't know anything the

2855
01:59:25,010 --> 01:59:22,679
people he went to that ran those saps

2856
01:59:27,290 --> 01:59:25,020
that said go talk to these guys they

2857
01:59:30,770 --> 01:59:27,300
knew and those are government employees

2858
01:59:33,530 --> 01:59:30,780
Melinda let me finish Chris Mellon we

2859
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:33,540
know his name therefore he doesn't know

2860
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:36,239
anything anybody that you could name

2861
01:59:42,229 --> 01:59:39,360
whether it's Elizondo or Hal putoff or

2862
01:59:44,270 --> 01:59:42,239
kit green they don't know and they're

2863
01:59:47,450 --> 01:59:44,280
chasing it they're trying to find

2864
01:59:50,089 --> 01:59:47,460
answers and which is great but those

2865
01:59:52,609 --> 01:59:50,099
that are in the know we're not going to

2866
01:59:54,890 --> 01:59:52,619
know their names and and and that's

2867
01:59:57,169 --> 01:59:54,900
that's it that part is not going to

2868
01:59:59,330 --> 01:59:57,179
change is there knowledge of E.T

2869
02:00:02,270 --> 01:59:59,340
visiting this planet gonna go official

2870
02:00:04,609 --> 02:00:02,280
yeah but those in the know that's that's

2871
02:00:06,950 --> 02:00:04,619
a level of stuff that we will never get

2872
02:00:08,750 --> 02:00:06,960
to you know and it's beyond the

2873
02:00:11,930 --> 02:00:08,760
president it's beyond everything else

2874
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:11,940
and there's nothing that I I I I I just

2875
02:00:16,490 --> 02:00:14,639
don't see it but but the point where the

2876
02:00:18,649 --> 02:00:16,500
Black Project money went to of them the

2877
02:00:22,790 --> 02:00:18,659
saps the use apps that's where the

2878
02:00:25,490 --> 02:00:22,800
crossover in into functioning areas of

2879
02:00:27,470 --> 02:00:25,500
government within the dod and the known

2880
02:00:29,810 --> 02:00:27,480
structure of government that that exists

2881
02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:29,820
that's the connection we always known

2882
02:00:34,310 --> 02:00:31,860
that you know I know but Senate Congress

2883
02:00:36,530 --> 02:00:34,320
needs to dig into that and say who knows

2884
02:00:39,169 --> 02:00:36,540
this who knows this that is there

2885
02:00:43,629 --> 02:00:39,179
there's four trillion dollars missing

2886
02:00:45,890 --> 02:00:43,639
everybody knows it think it's it's it's

2887
02:00:48,890 --> 02:00:45,900
you know it's it's it's it's it's it's

2888
02:00:51,649 --> 02:00:48,900
it's really funny it's going to do a lot

2889
02:00:54,290 --> 02:00:51,659
for the Tipping Point if they do have

2890
02:00:56,750 --> 02:00:54,300
high level Witnesses government and

2891
02:00:58,850 --> 02:00:56,760
Military guys coming forward

2892
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:58,860
I can tell you from take out my tours

2893
02:01:04,010 --> 02:01:01,199
every night and I get a good sense of I

2894
02:01:06,410 --> 02:01:04,020
think John Q Publix you know where the

2895
02:01:08,990 --> 02:01:06,420
the where they're at with this based

2896
02:01:13,970 --> 02:01:09,000
upon I've taken out tens of thousands of

2897
02:01:16,729 --> 02:01:13,980
people I just did to her one of my 1595.

2898
02:01:19,609 --> 02:01:16,739
so I'm just close five away from 1600

2899
02:01:21,709 --> 02:01:19,619
tours and each one's been many people

2900
02:01:24,350 --> 02:01:21,719
and some of them have been groups of big

2901
02:01:25,790 --> 02:01:24,360
groups of people so it's I I've stopped

2902
02:01:27,410 --> 02:01:25,800
doing the math it's

2903
02:01:28,910 --> 02:01:27,420
twenty thousand forty thousand people

2904
02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:28,920
whatever I've taken out I have to do the

2905
02:01:33,470 --> 02:01:30,480
math again but

2906
02:01:35,810 --> 02:01:33,480
huge amounts of people those

2907
02:01:37,129 --> 02:01:35,820
I can tell you that people they want to

2908
02:01:40,250 --> 02:01:37,139
know

2909
02:01:42,649 --> 02:01:40,260
um that that there started to be a

2910
02:01:44,030 --> 02:01:42,659
change in opinion a couple years ago as

2911
02:01:45,290 --> 02:01:44,040
this was going and now it's kind of

2912
02:01:46,310 --> 02:01:45,300
leveled up so just like we're

2913
02:01:48,109 --> 02:01:46,320
experiencing the field things have

2914
02:01:49,370 --> 02:01:48,119
leveled off well I'm experiencing that

2915
02:01:51,169 --> 02:01:49,380
from what I'm hearing from my clients

2916
02:01:53,089 --> 02:01:51,179
from that number peaking to how many

2917
02:01:54,589 --> 02:01:53,099
people knew things like about the Tic

2918
02:01:56,570 --> 02:01:54,599
Tac or the Nimitz or whatever whatever

2919
02:01:59,030 --> 02:01:56,580
little piece they knew it's kind of

2920
02:02:00,350 --> 02:01:59,040
tapering off but not really going down

2921
02:02:01,609 --> 02:02:00,360
it's just kind of leveled out but as

2922
02:02:03,229 --> 02:02:01,619
soon as we get some more news stories

2923
02:02:05,390 --> 02:02:03,239
boom that'll

2924
02:02:08,450 --> 02:02:05,400
Spike again and what I'm saying is

2925
02:02:11,470 --> 02:02:08,460
public awareness you guys no one forget

2926
02:02:14,270 --> 02:02:11,480
that government still works for us okay

2927
02:02:16,189 --> 02:02:14,280
representative democracy it still works

2928
02:02:19,070 --> 02:02:16,199
for us it's supposed to work for that

2929
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,080
way and we have to hold their feet to

2930
02:02:24,830 --> 02:02:21,119
the fire on this and you've got to have

2931
02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:24,840
your elected officials dig on this I'm

2932
02:02:29,390 --> 02:02:27,119
and realize it's not going to happen all

2933
02:02:32,209 --> 02:02:29,400
at once but it's so much has happened

2934
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:32,219
already I think we're on the way and I

2935
02:02:37,010 --> 02:02:34,320
think we can do a lot to keep that ball

2936
02:02:39,290 --> 02:02:37,020
rolling keep it moving and that and that

2937
02:02:41,149 --> 02:02:39,300
we can get there with this I 20 years

2938
02:02:43,790 --> 02:02:41,159
ago I would have thought never ever in

2939
02:02:45,649 --> 02:02:43,800
my lifetime no I'm starting this could

2940
02:02:47,870 --> 02:02:45,659
still happen why I'm still alive yeah I

2941
02:02:50,450 --> 02:02:47,880
know I I think we're right there here's

2942
02:02:55,010 --> 02:02:50,460
the here's the thing

2943
02:02:56,750 --> 02:02:55,020
um I know Melinda the beer can UFO that

2944
02:02:58,910 --> 02:02:56,760
I had to Steve Murillo sitting next to

2945
02:03:01,970 --> 02:02:58,920
me I had 20 30 people there and we see

2946
02:03:04,669 --> 02:03:01,980
this giant 400 foot thing spinning

2947
02:03:07,129 --> 02:03:04,679
across the sky and then it phases out

2948
02:03:10,970 --> 02:03:07,139
this in the middle of the day clear blue

2949
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:10,980
sky this wasn't a night vision looking

2950
02:03:14,570 --> 02:03:12,840
that I do every single night and you do

2951
02:03:17,570 --> 02:03:14,580
it no that I'm talking about middle of

2952
02:03:21,950 --> 02:03:17,580
the day giant thing thin and disappears

2953
02:03:24,410 --> 02:03:21,960
The that wasn't from Earth that wasn't a

2954
02:03:27,290 --> 02:03:24,420
Tic Tac that wasn't no that was E.T

2955
02:03:28,729 --> 02:03:27,300
there's no question about it structure

2956
02:03:30,169 --> 02:03:28,739
craft we've seen on my tour the

2957
02:03:33,709 --> 02:03:30,179
structure craft I've seen during the day

2958
02:03:36,649 --> 02:03:33,719
Melinda I will continue to Chase and

2959
02:03:39,470 --> 02:03:36,659
find these answers and and that's it

2960
02:03:42,649 --> 02:03:39,480
okay that's it and and we're close we're

2961
02:03:44,750 --> 02:03:42,659
close and I'm excited and Jimmy you you

2962
02:03:46,189 --> 02:03:44,760
have tremendous power and I don't mean

2963
02:03:48,229 --> 02:03:46,199
you guys I'm not saying this to butter

2964
02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:48,239
them up this is legit

2965
02:03:52,010 --> 02:03:50,400
you have an extremely popular show here

2966
02:03:55,310 --> 02:03:52,020
you have a new TV show you have an

2967
02:03:58,250 --> 02:03:55,320
ability to really educate people and and

2968
02:03:59,810 --> 02:03:58,260
on our platform for me and every anyone

2969
02:04:01,370 --> 02:03:59,820
else who's got something to say about

2970
02:04:03,530 --> 02:04:01,380
this we might have a piece of the puzzle

2971
02:04:07,070 --> 02:04:03,540
piece of research information evidence

2972
02:04:08,870 --> 02:04:07,080
whatever you know right before doing

2973
02:04:11,689 --> 02:04:08,880
this yeah I'm sure you know who chase

2974
02:04:12,729 --> 02:04:11,699
koletsky is I know quite well is she

2975
02:04:16,669 --> 02:04:12,739
still around

2976
02:04:18,649 --> 02:04:16,679
but yeah yes very much so and um and and

2977
02:04:21,410 --> 02:04:18,659
and so

2978
02:04:23,689 --> 02:04:21,420
she had replied to something I'd posted

2979
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:23,699
about this you know on Twitter and and

2980
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:25,679
she had said because I said mentioned

2981
02:04:28,729 --> 02:04:26,880
something about we're going to also get

2982
02:04:31,370 --> 02:04:28,739
into some of my experiences briefly in

2983
02:04:33,229 --> 02:04:31,380
there and she said she said you know

2984
02:04:35,149 --> 02:04:33,239
that I forget exactly how she were but

2985
02:04:37,370 --> 02:04:35,159
she said you helped so many people with

2986
02:04:39,530 --> 02:04:37,380
that you know it's it it helps many

2987
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:39,540
people to share your experiences and I

2988
02:04:43,490 --> 02:04:41,520
replied to her I really needed to hear

2989
02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:43,500
that right before going on because it is

2990
02:04:47,330 --> 02:04:45,780
uncomfortable it is difficult to talk

2991
02:04:49,129 --> 02:04:47,340
about my personal alien abduction

2992
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:49,139
experiences I know I'll come under

2993
02:04:52,729 --> 02:04:51,360
judgment judgment people say how come

2994
02:04:54,649 --> 02:04:52,739
you don't have evidence or this or that

2995
02:04:56,510 --> 02:04:54,659
no matter how many witnesses and how

2996
02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:56,520
many scoop marks and needle marks and

2997
02:05:01,310 --> 02:04:59,280
bruises on me and and the fluorescent

2998
02:05:05,149 --> 02:05:01,320
pictures of well you know the fluoresing

2999
02:05:07,010 --> 02:05:05,159
on me and and landed trace evidence in a

3000
02:05:08,510 --> 02:05:07,020
yard from when I was taken with some

3001
02:05:10,430 --> 02:05:08,520
other people in a group abduction and

3002
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:10,440
the thing landed that left marks in the

3003
02:05:13,790 --> 02:05:12,239
yard and we took pictures you know I'm

3004
02:05:15,649 --> 02:05:13,800
going no matter how much evidence people

3005
02:05:18,169 --> 02:05:15,659
say well that doesn't count that doesn't

3006
02:05:20,510 --> 02:05:18,179
count that doesn't count and I'm an

3007
02:05:22,430 --> 02:05:20,520
abdic too who Scott I've been involved

3008
02:05:24,890 --> 02:05:22,440
in Mass abductions with Witnesses you

3009
02:05:26,930 --> 02:05:24,900
know the the Coronado event with 50 at

3010
02:05:29,450 --> 02:05:26,940
least 15 of us in there and everyone

3011
02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:29,460
remember uh here in town five of us

3012
02:05:33,470 --> 02:05:31,320
taken together myself and two male

3013
02:05:35,390 --> 02:05:33,480
friends on a road I mean uh my friend

3014
02:05:37,790 --> 02:05:35,400
and I in San Diego taking their I mean I

3015
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:37,800
have times I've so I actually start to

3016
02:05:40,430 --> 02:05:39,360
lose count how many times I've been

3017
02:05:42,169 --> 02:05:40,440
taking with other people I have

3018
02:05:44,089 --> 02:05:42,179
witnesses and then I have my roommates

3019
02:05:45,470 --> 02:05:44,099
who witnessed me being abducted even

3020
02:05:48,530 --> 02:05:45,480
though they weren't being taken with me

3021
02:05:50,030 --> 02:05:48,540
you know and not just the

3022
02:05:51,709 --> 02:05:50,040
the ones I already told you about about

3023
02:05:52,970 --> 02:05:51,719
some others who've witnessed stuff you

3024
02:05:54,830 --> 02:05:52,980
know so I'm like going wait a second

3025
02:05:56,689 --> 02:05:54,840
I've got witnesses Galore I've got

3026
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:56,699
physical evidence marks on my body all

3027
02:06:00,890 --> 02:05:58,800
this stuff and yet it's never good

3028
02:06:02,689 --> 02:06:00,900
enough and I'm I'm one of the few

3029
02:06:04,970 --> 02:06:02,699
abductees who's willing to have a voice

3030
02:06:06,770 --> 02:06:04,980
willing to speak up and willing and also

3031
02:06:08,510 --> 02:06:06,780
says I have evidence when some other

3032
02:06:10,850 --> 02:06:08,520
abductees haven't been as good about

3033
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:10,860
Gathering their evidence or noting it or

3034
02:06:16,669 --> 02:06:14,400
or you know and so it's like and and

3035
02:06:18,589 --> 02:06:16,679
that's why I felt when Whitley spoke on

3036
02:06:21,169 --> 02:06:18,599
Saturday you know how moving it was how

3037
02:06:22,850 --> 02:06:21,179
how he's been so affected I felt like he

3038
02:06:24,589 --> 02:06:22,860
was speaking for me you know I mean

3039
02:06:27,530 --> 02:06:24,599
truly and

3040
02:06:29,089 --> 02:06:27,540
but I realized thank you Chase if you're

3041
02:06:31,129 --> 02:06:29,099
listening to this that you that you text

3042
02:06:33,290 --> 02:06:31,139
me that little line because it made me

3043
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:33,300
go you know what she's right and that's

3044
02:06:37,490 --> 02:06:35,280
why I have to be here and do this right

3045
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:37,500
I have to do for the other people with

3046
02:06:43,970 --> 02:06:40,560
experiences Melinda thank you so much my

3047
02:06:45,890 --> 02:06:43,980
friend and uh very excited for it next

3048
02:06:50,410 --> 02:06:45,900
when uh that comes out everybody's gonna

3049
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:53,870
go ahead Melinda it's your show you just

3050
02:06:57,050 --> 02:06:55,440
do your thing no man man there's just

3051
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:57,060
two things I want to say super quick if

3052
02:07:00,290 --> 02:06:58,800
I can

3053
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,300
um first off

3054
02:07:05,930 --> 02:07:02,639
um tonight I went through an incredible

3055
02:07:08,330 --> 02:07:05,940
thing which was a showing of the life

3056
02:07:12,470 --> 02:07:08,340
after death project

3057
02:07:15,290 --> 02:07:12,480
um by filmmaker uh Paul Davids and Paul

3058
02:07:17,990 --> 02:07:15,300
Davis has done this three-part series on

3059
02:07:20,750 --> 02:07:18,000
life after death and everyone you can

3060
02:07:23,450 --> 02:07:20,760
find it if you look at life after death

3061
02:07:25,250 --> 02:07:23,460
project and look it up that way on

3062
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:25,260
YouTube and other places you can watch

3063
02:07:30,290 --> 02:07:28,320
these in various pay-per-view formats I

3064
02:07:32,570 --> 02:07:30,300
highly recommend them it's quite

3065
02:07:34,729 --> 02:07:32,580
remarkable and

3066
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:34,739
um and you know we all know and love

3067
02:07:39,950 --> 02:07:36,960
Paul Davids and his work award-winning

3068
02:07:42,530 --> 02:07:39,960
filmmaker famous for the Roswell movie

3069
02:07:44,209 --> 02:07:42,540
and amongst other things uh but I highly

3070
02:07:46,129 --> 02:07:44,219
highly recommend that and then I was

3071
02:07:47,870 --> 02:07:46,139
with the same people because he's the

3072
02:07:50,930 --> 02:07:47,880
senior producer on it which is a movie

3073
02:07:54,770 --> 02:07:50,940
that you and I are in Jimmy called

3074
02:07:58,189 --> 02:07:54,780
um accidental truth oh really made by

3075
02:08:01,070 --> 02:07:58,199
Ron James oh oh oh interviewed by Ron

3076
02:08:03,890 --> 02:08:01,080
James filmmaker Ron James and and I was

3077
02:08:06,109 --> 02:08:03,900
with Jen Stein who's a producer on it I

3078
02:08:08,750 --> 02:08:06,119
was with Ron James the uh director

3079
02:08:10,910 --> 02:08:08,760
producer and Senior producer Paul Davids

3080
02:08:13,910 --> 02:08:10,920
and I was with them uh tonight for

3081
02:08:15,589 --> 02:08:13,920
dinner and um and and I'm so excited

3082
02:08:17,570 --> 02:08:15,599
because here we're in this new brand new

3083
02:08:19,370 --> 02:08:17,580
documentary that's about to come out any

3084
02:08:21,709 --> 02:08:19,380
moment you guys everybody look up the

3085
02:08:23,689 --> 02:08:21,719
website for accidental truth and Jimmy

3086
02:08:26,209 --> 02:08:23,699
and I are both in it I'm very excited to

3087
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:26,219
be a part of that and uh and as well as

3088
02:08:30,350 --> 02:08:28,320
Paul David's new thing I I promised all

3089
02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:30,360
those people I'd say that about them and

3090
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,800
and I'm like they're all dear friends

3091
02:08:35,629 --> 02:08:33,599
I'm excited for them and I'm I'm also

3092
02:08:37,850 --> 02:08:35,639
very excited about our our yet another

3093
02:08:42,109 --> 02:08:37,860
movie Jimmy coming out the documentary

3094
02:08:45,649 --> 02:08:42,119
that um you know being released by 1091

3095
02:08:47,870 --> 02:08:45,659
and and made by a incredibly great group

3096
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:47,880
of people I know Peter Robbins is also

3097
02:08:51,950 --> 02:08:49,920
involved Jen Stein Peter Robbins Paul

3098
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:51,960
Davids and Ron James it's going to be

3099
02:08:56,089 --> 02:08:54,000
incredible but you and I are in that and

3100
02:08:57,950 --> 02:08:56,099
uh anyways there we go that's all thanks

3101
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:57,960
for letting me

3102
02:09:01,970 --> 02:09:00,719
go have fun all right and uh I'll talk

3103
02:09:03,410 --> 02:09:01,980
to you tomorrow

3104
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:03,420
thank you Jimmy thanks so much for

3105
02:09:08,030 --> 02:09:06,239
having me on thank you everybody Melinda

3106
02:09:11,089 --> 02:09:08,040
Leslie the absolute very best thank you

3107
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:11,099
so much Melinda and uh obviously I ran

3108
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:14,159
over tonight and uh but it's Melinda and

3109
02:09:20,510 --> 02:09:18,480
I am gonna do that because it's Melinda

3110
02:09:23,209 --> 02:09:20,520
yeah great show tonight thank you

3111
02:09:27,290 --> 02:09:23,219
Melinda great conversation and see

3112
02:09:29,629 --> 02:09:27,300
that's how conversations should be just

3113
02:09:32,750 --> 02:09:29,639
a couple of friends respect each other

3114
02:09:34,550 --> 02:09:32,760
and just let it happen Melinda Leslie

3115
02:09:37,070 --> 02:09:34,560
Fade to Black is produced by Hilton J

3116
02:09:38,750 --> 02:09:37,080
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3117
02:09:41,810 --> 02:09:38,760
through the geek music Doug Aldrich

3118
02:09:43,790 --> 02:09:41,820
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3119
02:09:45,229 --> 02:09:43,800
to black it's produced by kjcr for the

3120
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:45,239
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3121
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:48,960
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3122
02:09:52,669 --> 02:09:50,880
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3123
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:52,679
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3124
02:09:56,209 --> 02:09:54,239
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3125
02:09:57,530 --> 02:09:56,219
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3126
02:09:59,030 --> 02:09:57,540
block of the game changer Network I'm

3127
02:10:02,089 --> 02:09:59,040
Yours Jimmy Church

3128
02:10:05,689 --> 02:10:02,099
tomorrow night I'm doing a special two

3129
02:10:08,450 --> 02:10:05,699
hours the Fermi Paradox get ready for

3130
02:10:09,950 --> 02:10:08,460
that until then I want everybody to be

3131
02:10:14,540 --> 02:10:09,960
safe

3132
02:10:23,340 --> 02:10:17,620
[Applause]

3133
02:10:25,410 --> 02:10:24,950
[Music]

3134
02:10:32,780 --> 02:10:25,420
oh